Discussion in 'Political Discussion' started by patsfan13, Jun 22, 2011.
Why bother with laws. Amnesty by executive order. American people opposed to Dream Act....screw em.
When a POTUS goes against the will of the people, his/her arrogance really stands out.
So if an illegal immigrant is enrolled in an education program paid for by US citizens, they can stay?
What's the alternative?
I think the borders and ports should be more stringently regulated, but what exactly are we supposed to do with a billion Mexicans?
Send them to whereever they came from Illegally, but without AK 47's.
1 BILLION? you're just kidding, right?
We have 12 million illegal alien criminals wandering around the country, they get health care (ER) they get slobbered over by the god damn liberal loons, they are treated by some of the more 'FAR OUT LIBERALS' as though they were sent to us by God himself, THEY ARE NOT IMMIGRANTS THEY ARE CRIMINALS THEY BROKE THE LAWS OF THE USA WHEN THEY ENTERED THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY.
YOUR GRANDCHILDREN AND THEIR CHILDREN WLL BE THE ONES TO SUFFER AND PAY FOR ALL OF THIS INSANITY, IN THE THIRD WORLD THAT AMERICA WILL BECOME THE PASTY FACED BAT SH!T SLOBBERING DO-GOODING SIMPERING LIBERALS WILL BE THE FIRST TO BE ELIMINATED THE NEW DICTATORS WOULD NEVER TOLERATE THEIR BULLSH!T.
IN THE NEW WORLD OF "THE DICTATOR" LIBERALS WILL SLOWLY VANISH IN THE NIGHTIME, CAN ANY OF YOU IN YOUR WILDEST DREAMS ENVISON SOMEBODY LIKE CHAVEZ OR FIDEL CASTRO ALLOWING A CHRIS MATTHEWS A KATIE COURIC OR A NANCY PELOSI TO LIVE AND BREATHE IN A NEW THIRD WORLD.
How? Who pays for it? I'm serious and believe that this is the main problem...Well, that plus the Owners won't let it happen.
Yes. I couldn't think of the real number, so is did like everyone else does.
"SIMPERING" Harry? Are you building a new dictionary or is that an "old-fashioned" word from another era?
Yes, you dee-id wistah...one BILLION (with pinky in corner of mouth) it is then!
Dr. Evil and Mini-Me would be very proud of you!
"Owners" as in "Slave owners"? We should kick their collective arses too!
at some point you needs to consider the notion that the long term costs will only be greater........much like the abortion debate.......
we can abort logically based on the cost of that child born into neglect, but we can't pay to remove these people from our society even though they will cost us even more if they remain?
Did anyone read the memo.. or just trust the biased interpretation.. most choose to follow along.
The reality is despite the hysteria, is that illegal immigration is down and deportations are up.. despite the efforts of the right wing to stymy the appointment of judges to the immigration courts..
But we're not discussing whether or not illegal immigration is up or down. We are discussing the Dream Act.
The "Dream Act"....what kind of name is that? I really wonder why they used a phrase that would tug on "some people's" heart-string? (not many, but some)
"The American Dream"...."I have a Dream"....ok, now I know why they used it.
Then you did not read the memo and choose to attack, just think if you used the energy to read the memo.. the results may be amazing.
There is no mention of Dream act in the memo.. it sets out priorities for ICE....
Who pays for it? Who pays to feed, house, medicate, and educate these illegals and their families that are here? To me this is a simple issue. The problem is obvious, and the remedy fairly easy to put in place. A little more border security. Hefty fines for employers who hire illegals. Severe penalties for anyone issuing false documentation (i.e. people selling SS #'s down at Haymarket Station for $50-100). A law that states anyone here illegally is not allowed any government bennies (I mean any). Status checks by police during a police stop of some kind. Immediate deportation hearings for illegals who are apprehended. A guest worker program for people who say we need illegals to pick fruit. To me it's that easy. Once you step it up at the border, step it up against employers, deport people on the spot to set an example, and penalize the people who facilitate an illegals ability to be here, you'll create an environment where fewer and fewer will feel it's worth while to come. It's really not that complicated. Well, then again, it requires a little principle and some common sense, so maybe it is complicated for some.
PF13, is it okay if I point out that you're wrong? Again. Not lying, of course. Just wrong!
Poll: Slim majority supports DREAM Act - Jennifer Epstein - POLITICO.com
That's all great and I agree with most of what you say, but I was talking about who pays for deporting those presently living here illegally? Since the cost of amnesty is all that is important to some, do you or anyone else here realize the logistical and monetary cost that project would take? If there is no amnesty, there would be a large group of people living here illegally indefinitely.
The U.S. paid $5 billion in just one year for the deportation costs of fewer than 400,000 illegal immigrants (less than 4% of the current illegal population in the country). Add that to the cost of providing medical care to illegal immigrants and the cost of educating the children of illegals and pretty soon youâ€™re talking about some serious money.
Using the estimate of $12,500 per person, it would cost $137.5 billion dollars to deport each and every illegal presently in the country. But of course, even if you deport a large majority of the illegal immigrants, unless we really make a serious effort to secure our border, many of them will come back.
Just how much plain brick and mortar fencing and how many extra border patrol agents could we purchase with that $5 billion a year?
How much does it cost to deport 1 illegal immigrant? $12,500 Â« Sea to Shining Sea
To deport the 12 million illegal immigrants in the United States en masse, it would take more than 200,000 buses, stretching more than 1,800 miles, according to a December 2009 Center for American Progress (CAP) report. (I did the math, and that would amount to 47.5 feet per bus and 60 people per bus. Of course, in real life, some people would have to be sent home via airplane.)
The cost would be nearly $300 billion over five years, the think tank estimates.
And that doesnâ€™t even take into account the money that would be sucked out of the economy by removing 12 million people, many of whom do work ranging from housecleaning, to working in restaurants, to building houses.
Itâ€™s not going to happen, of course, most of these people are here to stay. We just have to admit it to ourselves.
How Much Would It Cost To Deport Every Illegal Immigrant? More Than We Can Afford | United Liberty | Free Market - Individual Liberty - Limited Government
Those are from conservative links.
If we deported all of the illegals who would do the shyt jobs?? America's dirty little secret.
WOW! Nice leap of topic! That's the first time I've seen those two linked that way. Interesting.
Not saying do nothing. Where did you see that?
See Jack if I were wrong that would be fine, however as usual you are wrong. I do applaud your attempt to use data to support a contention for a change. However more recent poll also from CNN show 66% oppose amnesty for illegal aliens:
CNN Poll: Two-Thirds of Americans Donâ€™t Want Amnesty | illegal immigration | Limits to Growth
The poll you cite is from last Dec the poll I am citing is from April. The other devil in the details is the wording from the poll you cite, is the inclusion of illegals who serve in the military. I have no issue with granted people who volunteer and serve honorably citizenship after their first tour of duty.
So we can agree the few thousand people who are here illegally but have served in the military should get citizenship they have EARNED IT.
So I will accept the results from a neutral rather than a slanted poll if you please.
Do I need to write this out in crayon for you?
The DREAM Act is NOT the same thing as amnesty for illegal immigrants.
Seriously, if you're ignorant of the most basic facts on this issue, why are you even attempting to debate?
But congratulations for posting a poll that shows Americans don't support something that Obama didn't do. Can't get anything by this one.
Thank you, I couldn't have said it better myself.
Functionally it is. I understand the need to spin since people are so opposed to rewarding criminal behavior however if you put lipstick on a pig it is still a pig Jack, and no amount of spin can fix that. If people supported amnesty the Dream Act would have been passed before the midterms.
Put the Homeless, the Welfare People, College and other kids on vacation, "day release certain non violent prisoners" etc, put them to work, then set up another Ellis Island and Welcome Legal Immigrants with open arms.
Illegal Aliens Are Criminals.
The Name "DREAM ACT" it was dreamed up by some slopping starry eyed Liberal Ass Hole.
And none of that changes the fact that you were wrong about the American people not supporting the Dream Act. You could simply man up and admit that simple fact. It's not that difficult.
Really? I mean, really? Are you serious right now, or are you being facetious with this statement?
Obama wanted it , Reid wanted it, Pelosi wanted it, they controlled the executive branch and congress. So yeah serious, Why didn't they do it if they controlled the popcorn stand and the American people were for it?
Gee, I don't know. Probably because the Republicans have instituted a new procedural requirement whereby every single piece of legislation requires 60 votes in the Senate to pass.
Yep...that would be it, alright.
the same place I saw where you said to do something
Separate names with a comma.