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Obama Intel Chief: "Bush-era interrogation helpful" - CNN

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    No, it's not from Fox NEWS, NewsMax, not even The Washington Times.... it's from CNN:


    [size=+4]Bush-era interrogation may have worked, Obama official says[/size]

    updated 11:21 p.m. EDT, Tue April 21, 2009

    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Bush-era interrogation techniques that many view as torture may have yielded important information about terrorists, President Obama's national intelligence director said in an internal memo.

    "High-value information came from interrogations in which those methods were used and provided a deeper understanding of the al Qaeda organization that was attacking this country," Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair said in a memo to personnel.

    The memo, obtained by CNN late Tuesday, was sent around the time the administration released several memos from the previous administration detailing the use of terror interrogation techniques such as waterboarding, which simulates drowning.


    Bush-era interrogation may have worked, Obama official says - CNN.com


    Huh, well how 'bout that!!!

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    Update: It appears he's been taken to the woodshed since that memo was made public. He's had to change his tune publically............which I'm sure he did completely on his own with absolutely no intimidation from the top:cool:

    Intel Director: High-Value Info Obtained - Politics News Story - WDIV Detroit

    WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration's top intelligence official privately told employees last week that "high value information" was obtained in interrogations that included harsh techniques approved by former President George W. Bush.

    "A deeper understanding of the al-Qaida network" resulted, National Intelligence Director Dennis Blair said in the memo, in which he added, "I like to think I would not have approved those methods in the past." The Associated Press obtained a copy.

    Critics of the harsh methods -- waterboarding, face slapping, sleep deprivation and other techniques -- have called them torture. President Barack Obama said Tuesday they showed the United States "losing our moral bearings" and said they would not be used while he is in office. But he did not say whether he believed they worked.

    Obama ordered the release of long-secret Bush-era documents on the subject last week, and Blair circulated his memo declaring that useful information was obtained at the same time.

    In a public statement released the same day, Blair did not say that interrogations using the techniques had yielded useful information.

    As word of the private memo surfaced Tuesday night, a new statement was issued in his name that appeared to be more explicit in one regard and contained something of a hedge on another point.

    It said, "The information gained from these techniques was valuable in some instances, but there is no way of knowing whether the same information could have been obtained through other means."
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    Torture is good.
    Torture works.
    I like torture.
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    Wussification of America.

    "Spare the rod, spoil the child." -- Geo Washington lived by this, as did Abraham Lincoln.



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    If YOU define water-boarding as torture, then Obama's intel chief agrees with you!!!!


    :D

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    Only it wasn't torture, but I am glad more people weren't killed too...
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    Pretty vague stuff - we got good info, a deeper understanding, trust me.

    Then of course we should question whether we could have gotten the same info (if we really got anything) without providing a valuable recruiting tool for the enemy.

    Any way you slice it it's bad policy. But the sadists love it.
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    Bad policy is to thwart attacks on America?

    You really have no understanding about this do you?

    Of course neither do Obama or Panetta.
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    Oh, I'm not talking about waterboarding. That's kid's stuff. I wish we would do some more effective types of torture...you know...REEEEAL torture! Braveheart stuff. Marquis de Sad-style sick stuff. Iron Maidens and car batteries on the scrotum. Then we could get some really good intel and save even more people.

    YouTube - Braveheart William Wallace excecution
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    If true, that sets up an interesting moral dilemma doesn't it? If sometime in the future we capture high level terrorists we think have knowledge of future plots, and they give us nothing with the methods we have available from the field manual, what does the administration do? Do they keep the moral high ground and stick to the tamer but more ethical methods, or do they throw morality and fair treatment of prisoners out the window in favor of harsher methods they know worked in the past, but which break their own standards of conduct?
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    What's your understanding of it? Just curious. Do you have some kind of inside info that everyone else doesn't?

    The stuff in the story doesn't say much, and the CIA and other intel groups are known for their secrecy and lack of details. We really don't know much and the CIA is part of the federal government. Since when is the "intelligence community" the only part of the federal government that is trustworthy and reliable?

    Funny how some people will rail against the reliability of the federal gov't as far as anything goes except for the military and CIA. Why is that?
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    Especially if she is the one delivering the punishment. :D

    [​IMG]
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    My guess is that they will do whatever it takes to get re-elected.:(
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    Oh, YEAH!

    I'd even give her my pin number to my debit card!
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    Hinges on the truth of the premise. I'd say there's a lot of reason to be skeptical of this claim.
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    Now that is a policy I can get behind!
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    I would too, but only after she "tortured" it out of me. [​IMG]
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    What reason is their to be skeptical of the claim? Please be specific. Is the CIA and the Obama administration lying when they say it stopped at least a 9-11 2nd wave attack on LA?

    How many Americans should have died to uphold adherance to your definition of torture, please be specific for our benefit. 1, 10, 100, 1000, 10,000, 100,000, how many American deaths would have been acceptable to avoid waterboarding these 3 individuals (of all the thousands captured)??

    Any of the Bush/ Cheney crowd is free to answer if you have the guts to....:singing:


    Please give us evil people a number...:p
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    There's a huge difference between being evil and being gullible. So you think it's unlikely the federal government and the CIA, in particular, are full of sh!t? Jeeziz, man - if you're not afraid, why would you need the police, CIA and the military to protect you? Get it?

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