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Obama: "Hey, while we're spending billions, lets charge Vets for WAR INJURIES"

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  1. Patriot_in_NY

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    No, I'm not making this up. In what HAS to be the dumbest political move to date, VA Secretary Shinseki actually confirmed that the Obama camp is considering this.

    Just wow..................
     
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    Barack Hussein Obama and all far left wing bastards like him despise our military, Barack Hussein Obama is a God Damn Socialist Communist, he is hell bent on destroying America as we know it and he is just getting warmed up but in the end Barack Hussein Obama will only destroy himself, America right now is in the middle of a "social experiment" this experiment is already failing.
     
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    That's bizarre, unless the program pays for the veteran's private health insurance. No one I know thinks those thousands of troops who suffered at the hands of the lying, thieving, corrupt Bush regime should have to pay a dime for their own care.
     
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    Your messiah does obviously...........

    Look on the bright side, "the one" wanted to increase a bipartisan air to Washington. This proposal is JUST the ticket, as the article illustrates, both Repubs and Dems in congress will rise up together and knock this puppy down and fast.

    Just the point of proposing it is eyebrow raising, given the billions spent to prop up private industries.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    This "idea" will go away once it is shown to be very unpopular. It's not a surprise, though, Obama hates the military and everyone in it.
     
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    What's that quote supposed to mean? I agree with Patters here, that it could easily be explained by providing vets with private insurance coverage. While some might read it as vets paying out of pocket, I read it as possibley meaning that the treatment will be paid by a vets private insurance policy. Who's paying for the policy premium, isn't stated. Maybe it's cheaper (speaking vaguely here), to pay for a vet to have a Tufts plan, than it is to provide VA care. Who knows.
     
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    It'll end up dead in the water for sure but sweetjeezuz how can anyone even propose something like this, even think of something like this?

    Nice, seeing as Obama's planning to send how many more troops exactly into Afghanistan.
     
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    If I remember this is not the first time this has come up..

    It seems to have originated during the Bush Administration..

    Curing Walter Reed Syndrome; A Proposal Even Anti-War Doves Should Embrace

     
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    Obama did announce a "pay raise" for the military so maybe the expectation is that their "raise" will go towards footing the bill for their own HC. Nice. Lets at least hope our troops and vets get a discount:rolleyes:
     
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    Good post. Without specifics, it's impossible to comment about it being a good, or bad idea. If the policy is aimed at eliminating the VA, and moving military members to a private insurance, paid for by the Army, Navy, AF, and Marines, then what's the fuss? The bottom line is what works best, who pays for it, and what the specifics are with respect to finances.
     
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    It's not going over too big with veteran military organizations, and they're the ones who'll be affected.

    It's interesting how so many of the Bushie ideas continue to resurface.
     
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    Based on what??.. maybe the expectation??.. not sure if I see the connection..

    Interestingly enough this is not even making the news at Military Times, Army Times or Marine Corps Times.
     
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    Unless I misread, the suggestion of using a pay raise for HC was in the 1st paragraph of the article you quoted. And interestingly, Obama made a speech recently at one of the military camps where he announced a pay raise for the military. 1+1 :)
     
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    1 + 1 will cause stupidity, this raise has been in the works for over a year now and does not have a whole lot to do with Obama...
     
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    Did you read the article? I don't think that what it's implying. Currently, veterans with private insurance are charged by the "VA" for non-service related issues. For example, if you seek treatment at a VA clinic for the flu, they generally bill your private insurer (i.e. the Serviceperson in effect), much like your doctor does. It makes sense, it recoups them for costs not associated with military service. It's been this way for years.

    This bill would allow them to bill for service-related issues as well. For example, your prosthetic leg (that you got after being blown up by a IED) is ill-fitting, and your stump ulcerates and causes a systemic infection. After treating said condition, the bill would allow for the VA to also bill those services to the servicemen's private insurance (i.e. HIM or HER).

    In fact, it's not only being considered but apparently planned. Also from the article.

    This comes under the balance sheet as a revenue stream. “third-party collections” means private insurance companies, which are not picked up by the VA.
     
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    All I said was he's the one who finally passed it:rolleyes: And the suggestion of using pay raises for HC was in your article, and that same article also illustrated that it was the Bush administration who initially prompted the original concept of forcing vets to use private pay HC. How that suggests "stupidity" on my part escapes me. In fact everything in this thread echoes my statement that it continues to be interesting how so many of the Bush policies have not only resurfaced but are getting passed.

    Either way, when we see the actual vets back this idea then who are we to say it's bad. Until then, I hope it dies.
     
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    I'm confused. Obama wants soldiers private medical insurance to pay for war injuries/rehab/etc. Don't kid yoursleves, this would ocme out of the vets pockets. Yet, he wants to do away with private madical insurance and nationalize it? I'm confused. Does this guy have any clue what he's doing?
     
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    incrementalism at its finest........
     
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    Did you read the CATO article.. the article originally posted here is rather vague..
     
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    The problem with the CATO article, it deals with increases to NEW PERSONAL in Active Service in order to pay for private insurance. There are 1000's fall through the cracks because it's not available to them.

    I understand the premise of the article (and it's not a bad one), however..... It's not workable in the current situation and I do not think the to plans are currently linked. At least that I can see.
     

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