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    You ask a lot of questions, and point a lot of fingers. So how would YOU handle the economy, two wars, Iran and N. Korea. Obama isn't to blame for the mess he inherited that still continues. It took eight years of W trying really hard to screw up this country along with some greedy buisness men. So its going to take a long time to fix it. So if you have any constructive answers kick them in.
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    Here we go again. Obama wanted to save and create jobs. Where are they? After spending 1.2T dollars, the result is worse. It's unbelievable.
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    obama QUADRUPLED the deficit and that's with optimistic estimates. Sure you can blame Bush for the next 8 years but obama is doing nothing to help. Things have gotten worse with obama, this have gotten worse than HIS estimates said they would. obama isn't responsible for the mess he inherited but he is responsible for taking that mess and making it worse.

    And a lot of people signing up to loans they couldn't pay. Just blaming "business men" is absurd.
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    Here we go what? I can't remember any time you gave any kind of solution to the problems you complain about. All you do is complain: obama this and obama that. But never give any ideas on how to fix the mess your boy created. So answer the question. How would YOU deal with it if you were POTUS.
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    Do you know that Obama spends more money than ANY PREVIOUS US PRESIDENTS?
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    BLAH BLAH BLAH Same old same old. No one could fix this mess overnight. I know your going to say he O should have reduced taxes but thats what got us here in the first place. And if i do a little research and presented the facts of deregulation and shoddy buisness practices you'd disappear. Besides ddon't play dumb this has been gone over adnausium before. So i'm not wasting my time going over it again.
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    So what would you do its a simple question NEP.
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    I guess the "But Bush.....!!!" response is not working anymore.

    Time for plan B - "But What Would You Do If....?!?"
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    Impeach Obama !
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    Hey i'm not the one on here complaining every day, NEP is. So maybe you can help him and come up with a viable solution instead of asking me to answer my own question. I'm not the one complaining. So in words you two can understand ...I asked first.
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    I should have headed to the gym 30 minutes ago, i'm leaving now, i'll be back in an hour. That gives the Einstien twins an hour to solve the worlds problems. That should be enough for two or even three geniouses.
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    You wanted to see changes and it's the reason you voted for Obama. In the end, you still want it even though it's not the kind of changes you were looking for it.

    To you, the rest is irrelevant when Obama is in the office.
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    If you want to reduce taxes, reducing the corporate tax to, say, ZERO would help. Right now we're (a close) second in highest corporate tax. Way to stimulate business. How about this - don't tax companies but increase your tax base when they HIRE PEOPLE.

    And for the stimulus is could have all gone to alternative energy research and conversion of vehicles to natural gas instead of a pot of money for the politicians to spend as they see fit.

    Sorry, you can't get rid of me that easily :D

    OK.
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    Obama's economic plan is underway, and it's absurd to think that it was enacted without an understanding of the risks. Most people know that there is a risk of inflation right now, and the belief is that we will be able to keep it under control. We don't know yet if that's the case, but it's certainly something to keep an eye on.
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    How are we going to do that? By spending billions after billions??
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    You can't impeach yourself, but you can resign if you want to. :rolleyes:
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    I think we'll have to raise taxes. I think we should rescind the Bush and Reagan tax cuts in order to get our deficit under control and strengthen are global economic credibility. I'm all for spending, as you know, but believe we need to be more responsible about it. I think if Obama raises taxes on those earning over $250k to 50 or 60% it will solve the problem, especially if he also restores some of the loopholes that allow them to avoid income tax by investing in such things as health care and alternative energy.
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    You are SO 'naive'. Nothing is personal. I have a good question for you.

    Who are going to pay these taxes if these 'rich' people leave the country or we don't have 'enough' rich people to do it?

    Every working people is going to pick up the tab.
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    Rich people aren't going to leave the country. They were here when Eisenhower's tax rate was 90% and JFK's was 70%. The vast majority of people love this country and are willing, though not necessarily happy, to pay taxes. Taxes should be raised only long enough to get the crisis under control, then they can be lowered. I think taxes should be progressive, but very fluid and used to manage the economy. If we raise taxes too much and people start moving, then we can lower them again.

    If you want your tax cut, you have many options:

    The Forbes Tax Misery Index - Forbes.com
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    Just answer the question, BF did. I'm going for a bike ride now, if i don't break my neck i'll be back in an hour to give my answer. I hope you have yours, IOW I'll show you mine if you show me yours. ;) :eek:
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    I didn't want the changes because i didn't have any plan.
    You WANTED the changes BUT you don't have a plan to do it. What are you changing if you don't know what you are doing?
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    You are not a good person when you want people who earn 250K to pay for your changes.

    In the current market, i doubt that we have that many people when everybody looses their money on stock and houses.
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    Here is a website with a great set of positions on the issues. If this agenda were followed we would have a wealthy country and greater freedom.


    Issues | FreedomWorks


    Much better approach the the fascism/cronism we are seeing that is running the country into a ditch.
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    I said it when the economy took a downturn and I say it today. The government should have taken over the mortgage industry in the sort term to help that sector ... people owning and buying homes sector. The rest of the financial industry should have been left to follow it's natural course. People who made bad investments ... in those derivatives ... tough luck. Capitalism has always been about the strong surviving and the weak faltering. the strong have always eaten the weak and that would have happened all by itself with no government intervention. Oh well ... political power born of give aways .. it is what it is.

    WWBD ... Bill would not have given 1 cent for bailout of any 1 player.
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    So your just going to let the country and maybe the world slid into a depression? The last time it happend WW11 Happend.
    Its to late for me to give my answer, i'll do it tomorrow.
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    Obama,

    When can you give us the answer? What takes you so long?
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    Why dont you give it to me in 2012?:D:D
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    Now i have a new question for you nep. Are you saying you would rather do nothing and let the country slid into a depression? Is that what your saying?

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