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    the latest notch in the death of democracy...

    Times co. threatens to shut down Globe

    Times co. threatens to shut down Globe - Daily Business Update - The Boston Globe

    By Robert Gavin and Robert Weisman, Globe Staff

    The New York Times Co. has threatened to shut the Boston Globe unless the newspaper's unions swiftly agree to $20 million in concessions, union leaders said.

    Executives from the Times Co. and Globe made the demands Thursday morning in an approximately 90- minute meeting with leaders of the newspaper's 13 unions, union officials said. The possible concessions include pay cuts, the end of pension contributions by the company and the elimination of lifetime job guarantees now enjoyed by some veteran employees, said Daniel Totten, president of the Boston Newspaper Guild, the Globe's biggest union, which represents more than 700 editorial, advertising and business office employees.

    The concessions will be negotiated individually with each of the unions, said Totten and Ralph Giallanella, secretary-treasurer of the Teamsters Local 259, which represents about 200 drivers who deliver the newspaper.

    "We all know the newspaper industry is going through great transition and loss," said Giallanella. "The ad revenues have fallen off the cliff. Just based on everything that's going on around the country, they're serious."
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    Union busting sucks. Anybody remember the hay-day of this country? I wasn't alive then but it's purported to be post WWII when unions were strongest and the middle class was wealthier than today's middle class.

    Reaganomics is a ruse.
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    i don't see the unions conceding 20 million... i just don't...

    imagine this city with one newspaper? a Ruppert Murdoch-owned tabloid one, at that?

    what a shame...
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    #12 Jersey

    As I already stated the ultra liberal media has already started swirling in the bowl.
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    I agree it's a shame, but what choice does any company with falling revenues have? I've heard many people who have had to take pay cuts, one of my brother is just one example.

    I doubt many companies are saying "This is great! Even though we're almost out of business, at least we get to bust the unions!" That's just a ridiculous notion. They'd probably just lay people off if they could but I'm guessing there wouldn't be enough drivers to deliver all the papers.

    It is my opinion that there have been many unskilled jobs that have been over-paid for years. Take MBTA bus drivers for example. Many of them make $75,000/yr. Why do we pay them that much? Same as auto assembly workers making similar wages. Do they deserve to make that much? Based on a comparative college-educated position, I don't think so. Anyone can do those jobs.
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    Unions are swell. Just ask Detroit.
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    Who needs newspapers anyway. In the next 20 years we will have information beemed directly into our heads.
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    #12 Jersey

    You'll actually be able to feel the shiver up your own leg that Chris Matthews is feeling as Obama speaks.
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    All kidding aside, the entire world has been experiencing the "shivering up the leg-syndrome" this week. It's amazing how popular OUR president is world-wide. It's a nice change...makes me proud to be an American.
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    #12 Jersey

    :rofl: Keep telling yourself that. And watching the rose colored glasses liberal coverage of Obama.
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    Who gave that right to me and I'll gladly stand-up
    Next to you and defend her still today
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    Don't worry, Press. In a year or two the Washington Times will come in and buy up all the old Glob property, presses, etc., at pennies on the dollar; then we'll hire those 25% of solid core workers who like doing things the right way. Just as we did when the Washington Star folded back in the late 70s. :D You're gonna love it!! Democracy shall rise again!

    Murdoch's work is only slightly better than the NYCrimes/Glob axis, but TWT will bring that breath of fresh air that Boston truly deserves!!! :singing:.....

    Watch this space!!

    :yeeha:


    "... and the times, they are a-changin'....." :singing:



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    And then Rev. Moon can pump 3.7 billion of his own money into this publication.. money he raises from his thousands of businesses.. and money he raises from the giving of old folks.. then it will be called a success. All under the guise of "reporting".. in reality it will just become another world net or newsmax, hysteria.. see Pelosi Mice.

    What will happen to the sports section, Mike Reiss..
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    Well, for a look at the future of the New "Boston Times", you can catch a glimpse here:

    Washington Times - Politics, Breaking News, US and World News

    Good stuff. No specific religion promoted. "God is great, God is good, and we thank Him for our food. By His hands we must be fed; give us, Lord, our daily bread." -- prayer I learned in public school in Needham, Mass. c. 1957


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    Its a fine newspaper, or was anyway. Even though the writing is still top notch if the management can't find a way to compete and at least break even in the current environment then it has to go away.

    It would be a small consolation if daddy moon pumped billions into whatever was left in a vain attempt to get people around here to read his drivel. I'm always happy when evil people lose stuff.

    The Herald's screwed too come to think of it. Disgraced Globe writers, like Mike Barnacle, Patricia Smith and Belichick's pal, have been the Herald's number 1 source of new talent for years now.
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    ".... drivel..."!!! .... :wha:.... Where you from? Pyongyang???


    This is excellent content: Washington Times - Politics, Breaking News, US and World News .... None finer, on or off the air.

    Don't forget what Gracie Slick said: ".... feed your head....... feed your head.... "


    Peace.

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    Gee I thought the Sulzbergers loved the unions... I guess the Union guys will have to decide if they want jobs or not.
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    The Sulzbergers love the unions as long as those unions don't ask anything from the Sulzbergers (!!!!). ...........:eek:



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    Perhaps more advertising dollars would be their if they were not so quick to publish fake stories of American soldiers raping Iraqi women?
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    Ouch!!

    Sounds very plausible.


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    Yeah, but they didn't publish any such story. Regardless of the truth of the matter, if a sitting Boston City Councilman rants and raves about 'proof' of US GI's raping Iraqi women, the Boston media is obliged to report it. IE it was a story simply because Turner had got behind it. It wasn't some loon on the corner stating this. Now, if you read the article that went with the pictures its clearly spelled out that there was no insignia or medals or even name tags on the "soldiers'" uniforms that would establish they were affiliated with the US military or any indication of where they were. All the Globe ever called them was men wearing camo uniforms.
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    The Herald and the Globe are both slanted in opposite directions.
    Everyone knows that.
    It's bad for a city like Boston to have only one paper. Maybe society is shifting away from using newspapers in general and we'll soon see the end of the Herald, too. Not maybe...definitely.
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    When you only serve less than half of the population, these things are going to happen. Funny how an ultra left-wing company like the NY Times very first move is the go after the union workers (I'm sure all of the AFL-CIO members are really happy now that their union only supports the left).

    Most uions are extremely top heavy and care much more about getting democrats elected than the health and welfare of their respective memberships, so they are quickly gonig the way of the dinosaur.

    If it were not for the SPorts pages, I would never go to the Globe site. If the front page says that the sky is blue, you have to go outside and double check it for yourself. They have become a mouthpiece for the left, and as such, their readers have dwindled.

    This is nobody's fault aside from the very peope that are being effected, the NY TImes, the Globe, and their union workers, their is an old adage, you reap what you sow, enjoy it!
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    I don't think this has anything to do with Democracy, except perhaps in terms of fallout. It's more an issue of economics and the simple fact that the heyday of responsible newspaper (aka tabloidless) publishing has passed. The unions are necessary to protect the rank-and-file from greedy business owners, but it is unecessary and unresponsible for these same unions to take the position that anything but healthy pay raises is a must, otherwise they only succeed in speeding up the demise of the businesses they unionized over in the first place. That $20 million is probably what it is after years of refusing necessary concessions to help keep the Globe strong enough to survive.
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    yep....they're celebrating everywhere that they get a piece of the american pie......
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    The Globe should had shown some integrity and also told the readers that the alleged "rape" photos were identified as coming from an internet porn site. This fact was known a week prior in media circles.
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    Well, it started out as a decent thread... That is, until the resident battlestar galactica nerd, the cultist, and the jail 'em all moderator showed up to offer their unsolicited partisan swipes, for no apparent reason than to start shyt. It's what they do.

    Please don't sit here and pretend the unions forced this issue, or that the "liberal" media is somehow "reaping what is has sown." Could you be more pretentious?

    Newspapers are dying because they're losing ad revenue to the internet (Craig's List, first and foremost) during a serious economic downturn. Not because of any perceived ideology. I've seen the books. It's not the unions that are hurting the bottom line. Most papers were doing just fine until the recession.

    Here's a newsflash: The Herald just laid off dozens, and more are rumored to be coming. In fact, some people believe Murdoch is positioning himself to buy the Globe and scrap the Herald altogether.
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    Now that would be a damn shame. I'm biased of course, but I think the Globe is one of the best newspapers in the country. I love that paper. The Herald is just trash.

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