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    What a banana republic we live in. How about getting cash FOR GOING TO FUKCING WORK!

    This country is over. We're toast. We're no longer a can do society. We've instead become a what can you do for me society. Everything being done in this country is azzbackwards. We're invading people, as opposed to going to someone's defense. We're looking to legalize illegals :confused: , thus rewarding people who are pissing on our laws, which is a slap to everything this country stands for. Now there is this beaut, where we're looking to pay cash to people on welfare, in the hopes that they will, um, stay on welfare? :violent:

    I'm fed up! :enranged:

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    NYC Poor to Get Cash for Good Behavior

    Jun 19, 12:39 AM (ET)

    By SARA KUGLER

    NEW YORK (AP) - Poor residents will be rewarded for good behavior - like $300 for doing well on school tests, $150 for holding a job and $200 for visiting the doctor - under an experimental anti-poverty program that city officials detailed Monday.

    The rewards have been used in other countries, including Brazil and Mexico, and have drawn widespread praise for changing behavior among the poor. Mayor Michael Bloomberg traveled to Mexico this spring to study the healthy lifestyle payments, also known as conditional cash transfers.

    In New York, the two-year pilot program with about 14,000 participants will use private funds Bloomberg has raised because he did not want to spend government money on something that is highly experimental. More than $43 million has been raised toward the $53 million goal, Deputy Mayor Linda Gibbs said.

    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070619/D8PRLSMG0.html
    The theory behind cash rewards is that poor people are trapped in a cycle of repeated setbacks that keep them from climbing out of poverty. A person who doesn't keep up with his vaccinations and doctor's visits, for example, may get sick more often and struggle to stay employed.

    Bloomberg, a billionaire Republican, said he believes paying people in such circumstances to make good decisions could help break those patterns. The program "gives New Yorkers in poverty a financial incentive to look ahead and make decisions that will improve their prospects for the future," he said in a statement.

    But some critics have raised questions about cash reward programs, saying they promote the misguided idea that poor people could be successful if they just made better choices.

    "It just reinforces the impression that if everybody would just work hard enough and change their personal behavior we could solve poverty in this country, and that's not reflected in the facts," said Margy Waller, co-founder of Inclusion, a research and policy group in Washington.
     
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    "It just reinforces the impression that if everybody would just work hard enough and change their personal behavior we could solve poverty in this country, and that's not reflected in the facts"
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    Whaaa!? So... is Margy saying that people are inherently different? This is a very dangerous statement and I don't think she realizes what she's saying.
     
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    No, what she's saying is society can't support everyone not being poor. In a society such as ours where wealth is concentrated at the top, there's not enough to go around to bottom echelon. I'm not saying I agree or disagree, but that's what she's saying.
     
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    50 years from now America will be another third world sh!t hole, nobody will be able to talk each other (300 different languages) and the people will be throwing dead bodies in the rivers and lakes just likre they do in Africa.

    GOD IS GREAT
    DEATH TO AMERICA (you bet and it won't be long)
     
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    Actually, I took it to say that if people were willing to change their ways, and actually take care of themselves because they were going to be rewarded with cash, then doesn't that say that they could truly support themselves if they really wanted to?

    I say it clearly does.
     
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    Is Margy basically saying that environment does not play a role, that it's genetics???
     
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    This reminds me of a speech a great president made.
    An excerpt here.
    "....ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for
    your country."

    He was a democrat, too.
     
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    But some critics have raised questions about cash reward programs, saying they promote the misguided idea that poor people could be successful if they just made better choices.

    "It just reinforces the impression that if everybody would just work hard enough and change their personal behavior we could solve poverty in this country, and that's not reflected in the facts," said Margy Waller, co-founder of Inclusion, a research and policy group in Washington.


    How do you get genetics from the above statement? She is saying that if people just went to work, then we'd solve poverty. Personally, I think you'll always have poor people, so I'd have agree with her more so had she said less poverty.
     
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    "....ask what your country will give you for free, and then make sure they give you cash on top of that."

    :enranged:

    Seriously, this country is toast. Old school dems, and old school repubs, are nonexistent in this country. We've been hijacked, and overrun by special interest groups, radicals, and extremists. :mad:

    I'm mad today.
     
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    I can't blame you, Real.
     
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    His brother sat on his private beach with a gallon of Vodka and said to himself, "I think I'll do something for my country, just like my brother wanted"

    So he helped make it possible for 12 million criminals to break America's law and be welcomed into his brothers country.

    This is us, the American tax payer------------> :bricks:
     
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    No she's saying the exact opposite. She says other people believe that if you change the behaviors of poor people, things will get better, but she says that they won't.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    Patters calls this stuff "Liberals always win in the end". I call it "Regression to the lowest common denominator" and we're well on our way. For some reason, a living wage, top health care, etc, seems to be a God given right according to many people. "Life, Liberty and Persuit of Hapiness" seems to have moved to "Life, Liberty and Hapiness".

    I don't get it - all we can do it vote for those who don't believe in this stuff.
     
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    I really have to disagree with you here. I'm not sure how you got that out of her words. I would think that anyone opposed to this, would be coming from the side that opposes welfare in principle. To me, most of those who oppose welfare do so under the guise that people should go to work, and quit being lazy. If you feel the need to pay recipients cash, on top of their benefits, under the premise that doing so will give said people incentive to perform, then aren't you saying they can perform, only that they need enticement? I think that is what the woman is saying.
     
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    It's a march to socialism, and a borderline communist system of shared wealth. It no longer pays to go to work, or to care about yourself, because someone is always looking to take from the accountable, to give to accountless. Sooner or later, they'll take to the breaking point, which that Amnesty Bill will ensure happens in our lifetime. :mad:

    Seriously, the sooner this country goes bankrupt, the better. At some point, on our current path, it will.
     
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    "But some critics have raised questions about cash reward programs, saying they promote the misguided idea that poor people could be successful if they just made better choices.

    "It just reinforces the impression that if everybody would just work hard enough and change their personal behavior we could solve poverty in this country, and that's not reflected in the facts," said Margy Waller, co-founder of Inclusion, a research and policy group in Washington."

    That is the most ignorant statement I think I have ever read!!!

    Everything (with the exception of the Handicapped) comes back to personal choices.
     
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    I took a fantastic dump today....I wonder what thats worth?..also, it was in a restroom in an office building and I left a bit of a mess...so this provided work for others...ya think I can get paid for that too?
     
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    I wonder if the people who donated to this project knew what MB had in mind in advance. I bet the pitch line was something like 'finding innovative solutions towards keeping the program director in a cushy jo...

    I mean towards breaking the cycle of poverty':D

    I bet the donators all feel like a Navy seaman who gets off the ship with 3 months' pay in his pocket and gets rolled by the first prostitute he finds.
     
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    The father of Ted Kennedy (the drunk murderer) is spinning in his grave right now at the embarrassment Ted has become.
     
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    That depends, did you save a stronzo (italian for...) for the doctor? :D He'd need a receipt you know.
     
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