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  1. The Great Fork

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    Last year, toward the end of the season, the Pats had a pretty damn good triple threat with Moss, Welker and Stallworth. Stallworth obviously struggled in the beginning, but as time moved on he seemed to develop into a much better receiver than he had ever been in his career (and we can give credit for that to Brady/McDaniels).

    Now that Stallworth is gone (and overpaid by the Browns, I think), I was curious who everyone thinks should be the #3 target. I know this isn't a huge area of concern, but a lot of people are talking on this board about the need to have a second guy who can stretch the field in order to relieve at least some of the pressure that Randy Moss saw on the field last year (especially during the playoffs). So with WR depth being:

    Randy Moss
    Wes Welker
    Jabar Gaffney
    Chad Jackson
    Kelley Washington
    CJ Jones
    Sam Aiken

    I was curious who everyone thought should be the number three, or at least who should line up opposite Moss in order to stretch the field, either from the roster now, or maybe a later round selection who could be developed into the type of threat we need to help out Randy.

    Thoughts?
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    Welker was the 3rd receiever last year... Probably will be this year. He works the slot. Jabar Gaffney or Chad Jackson will most likely take the number 2 spot.
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    Gaffney was playing more than Stallworth by the end of the season. I'd say the job is his to lose.
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    I know Welker was in the slot, but when I say #3 I really mean Tom Brady's 3rd favorite target. I know Welker being in the slot means he's technically the number 3, but with 100+ catches, it is hard to say he's the #3 receiver.
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    That's my thinking too, with maybe giving CJ a shot at it if he starts the year hot.
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    Yeah, you right you right.
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    With two guys Like Moss and Welker the next guy is not as hard to fill. Gaffney should be able to do everything he did last year maybe more(if chad jack busts he will have plenty of reps to do more), and that will be enough. There is always the possibility that Chad Jackson finally stays healthy and becomes a solid threat in which case we may be able to improve the #3 spot. A draft pick wich I doubt would be high may also add to the mix.
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    I still can't wait to see what CJ can bring to the table.

    He's still the same young WR we drafted 2 years ago - but now with 2 years of some experience under his belt.
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    It is clearly Gaffney's spot unless someone proves they can take it from him.
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    A Gaffney/Chad Jackson combo should be more than sufficient. I'm not really concerned about that at all.
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    While Gaffney has been reliable and a welcome addition to this team - we all hope Chad Jackson plays the kind of football that warranted NE moving up to take him at #2.

    Go out and show us what you can do Chad Jack......it's now or never.
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    catching 3 balls for CJ would make him hot. heck i'd go with 2
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    I'm sorry. I'd ahve to say last year was a wasted season for CJ. It's not like he even got much playing time(snaps). this is like year 1.5 for him at best.
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    You must have watched a different season than the rest of us because Stallworth underperformed the entire year and really didn't take much heat off of Moss and Welker. Nor did he perform the way he should have with them drawing so much attention. You also have to remember that, by the end of the year, Gaffney was actually getting more reps than Stallworth was.
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    Jackson was healthy last year. What you fail to remember is that it was only January 2007 that he tore up his ACL. That made all of 2008 a wash, basically. And it showed even when he got onto the field.

    I can't fault the guy for not producing when he was only 9 months post surgery on an injury that takes 12 to 18 months to heal.
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    I wouldn't say it was wasted because he was rehabbing from an injury that takes 12 to 18 months to recover from. And its not like it happened at the beginning of the 2006 season. It happened at the end of January 2007.

    So, while in one sense it was wasted in that he didn't get the playing time, I wouldn't doubt that he spent a LOT of time around Moss and the other vets during film study and studying the playbook.

    This is, however, Jackson's make or break season, all things considered. I believe he will make it, though.
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    I wouldn't worry about it. Gaffney was a second rounder as well if you're concerned about wasted draft picks. I'm fine with Gaffney. He's proven that he can make the catches when they count IMHO.
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    Gaffney essentially replaced Stallworth in the second half of last season, which speaks volumes. In my opinion Gaffney & Jackson entering 2008 is far more formidable than newcomer Stallworth & oart timer Gaffney entering 2007 - especially when you consider the additional year of experience that Gaffney now has with Brady.
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    That's all true. Stallworth with great with the ball, but didn't get it all that much. That being said, I really liked having him on the team. Great attitude and YAC.
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    I think it's imminent that CJ winds up on the IR by week 8 this year....call me pessimistic but prior play predicts future performance. I'd love to be wrong.
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    Donte had more catches and better YPC, so you can't act as if he wasn't part of the offense, I'm just curious who should replace him as the supposed number 3 option. Fine, Gaffney. I like Gaffney. Just curious. You're harsh, man.
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    I'd love for the Patriots to have another legitimate threat down the field. Nobody showed during the playoffs that they could make a BIG play if Randy was getting a ton of attention. Welker is not that guy, he's not going to catch many passes 25 yards or more down the field. Chad Jackson could be that guy, and I hope he is. It would also help if Watson would make some plays down the seam, which would force teams out of the cover 2 defense.

    I think this team still could use another wideout for next year. Jackson has an injury history and is unproven and Gaffney is not a guy that strikes fear in to opposition. If the team is going to continue to run most of their offense out of 3 or 4 WR sets, then it has to have some quality depth.
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    That was my biggest concern. Gaffney may have had more reps than Stallworth near the end but only Moss can go deep. I think the team needs someon else to stretch the field, go for the big plays. I keep hearing CJ, but after all his injuries, how can anyone be sure he will have the speed or pure ability anymore?
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    Stallworth really should have been much more of a force... but then again, Moss should have been more visible in the playoffs, and more importantly the superbowl. Having the dumb a s s McDaniels being so stupid for calling dumb a s s plays def. played a part though.

    This IS Jacksons time to step it up. He is a bust if he doesn't have at the least a decent year.

    Welker is NOT the #3.

    He is Brady's most important weapon.

    Yes, I said it.

    He makes all of the hard catches and blocks so that Moss can get all of the glory.

    Welker is the man.

    I like Gaffney. He showed me that he belongs here back when he played opposite of eyes wide shut.

    I would like to see Washington get some playing time, because I know that he can do it. He was recruited very high in college. Higher than even Stallworth before his injury.
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    Stallworth is faster than Moss is...
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    Pretty much what I said a while ago, that this is his season to shine.

    Assuming he's now healthy, and knows the playbook, this is the perfect opportunity for him to produce, primarily because of the gameplanning devoted toward Moss and Welker. Moss will continue to be Brady's first downfield read (he won't be a decoy), but we have to expect the coverage to be tight unless the league's DCs are brainless. This scenario ought to open up downfield opportunities for both Gaffney and Jackson. I hope the offense is designed with this expectation in mind.
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    I've always felt that numbering WR's fails to truly capture the way in which they are utilized - especially in the Patriots system where both Moss and Stallworth were used in ways that differed from other #1 and #2 WRs of other teams.

    But generally both 1 & 2 WRs have the ability to go deep - and while we had that with both Moss and Stallworth last year, Stallworth really wasn't used as a deep threat - and his stats bear that out.

    That's not to knock the guy - he can't control how he is used and he is MUCH more than JUST a deep threat. But the fact is he wasn't used as a deep threat and Defenses caught onto that later in the season and knew they could double cover Moss without the threat of someone else beating them deep.

    So for next year, seeing as Gaffney was getting more looks late last season as it was (and doing a good job too) I expect Gaffney will line up on the other side of Moss. Chad Jackson, as a potential deep threat, would make more sense assuming he could 1.) Prove himself as a deep threat and 2.) Assuming McDaniels would use him that way - but those are two big assumptions.

    What this leaves us with is a #2 WR who is not a deep threat. That means a safety isn't going to have to spend much time worrying about Gaffney (or Welker for that matter) beating him deep. They can simply focus on limiting the damage caused by Moss - as they did later last season, when we saw many more close games than we did early in the season when Defenses were worried about Stallworth's 19 YPC average he had for the Eagles.

    But in answer to the ultimate question, Welker was and remains the "#3 WR" in the traditional sense of the term regardless of whether he has 50, 100 or 200 catches next season
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    I'd say it is Gaffney's spot to lose, as it seems Brady has developed a nice rapport with him on the field.

    On the other hand, Gaffney seemingly took the job from Stallworth last year, so there is no reason why Jackson couldn't do the same.
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    The point people make when Bringing up that Gaffney had passed Stallworth on the depth chart is that In trying to replace Stallworth you are actually replacing the 4th option not third as Gaffney was the 3rd option down the stretch.

    I think you under rate Gaffney as a deep threat, he does have pretty good speed...not the speed Stallworth has but more complete reciever and he does have deep threat speed.
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