Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by stcjones, Apr 30, 2006.
What do you all think?
Great value, but didn't address LB needs whatsoever. Still a bang up job by BB and Pioli, clearly the best draft in the division.
I would have been happier to trade up in the 3rd and grabbed L Pope.
WE made our draft with the picks of Jackson, O'Callahan and Smith.
I think we are now set at K as well.
We will sign some UDFAs at LB...
The first day picks alone make my rating a solid A.
Now, given a little success day 2 then it is A + all the way.
I like Gostkowski & Mills and I know very little about the others.
B+. I liked what we did on the first day, but was a bit confused with our later picks on day 2.
Great 1st and 2nd picks, A+. 3rd pick on, C-. Total draft rating B.
i thought it was great. No LB's (well, Mincy I suppose) surprised me, but BB knows the quality of the available players better than me.
I can't wait to see this offense in action. They loaded up on weapons, and with the depth we now have at TE/H-back we should create A LOT of mismatches. I look for them to use some interesting formations to get a lot of these guys on the field at once. I think opposing defenses will be burning a lot of timeouts.
Honestly, what would you expect in the 7th round. If you downgraded to a B because of that ...
They DID address the LB position with Jeremy Mincey, a DE/OLB convert.
However, I feel they reached for Gostkowski and Mills. I question the pick of Stevenson as an OG/OC. Would have preferred Matt Lentz from Michigan. Someone who is a team leader. Don't care at all for the pick of Willie Andrews.
I gave them a C+ for this draft.
Who would you have taken from the 3rd round, on?
I have to agree. I thought we needed to add at least one LB prospect in those middle rounds.
I would have to say B+ to A- for right now. Great first day with just a little question of the Texas TE. my only frustration, was some of the mid rounders (kicker, Tulsa FB/TE) would have likely been around a round later, but that is where BBandSP differ from us fans, they take the players they want and think can contribute regardless of where they may be projected to go. hopefully we will pick up some rookie FA for LB/DE.
Because the other 2nd day LB prospects we've drafted have turned out so well...
100% A. No byass, absolutely great draft. Maroney was an excellent choice, definitley the best RB behind Bush, we needed that. And the Jackson steal, was incredible. I just went down to my basement flipped on my TV and the Pats had traded up and Jackson's family was going crazy. Then David Thomas. Some of you guys are being way too critical of this pic. A perfect pick, right up there as good choices as Maroney and Jackson. He will have a great future as a Patriot. A+, no doubt for the first day. Day two they got some pretty good lineman, a Defensive tackle, and Mincey who could end up as a linebacker. The kicker we needed, he should beat Gramatica for the starting position. As for the final pick, who cares, the guy problably isnt a great cover safety, but the whole reason BB problably got him was for special teams, which he had some impressive numbers in.
Day 1 = A+, Day 2 = A-, Overall...A
Wonderfully done job by BB and Pioli especially on the first day.
Day 1 winners
Gil Brandt: New England and Green Bay, but honorable mention also goes to Arizona, Cleveland, Carolina, Baltimore, N.Y. Jets and Pittsburgh
Pat Kirwan: Arizona and Detroit
Vic Carucci: New Orleans and Arizona
Mike Mayock: Philadelphia and Denver
Adam Schefter: New Orleans and New England
Corey Chavous: Baltimore and Oakland
Nick Bakay: Houston, N.Y. Jets, San Francisco, Philadelphia, Arizona, New England and New Orleans
3 of 7 pick us as the winners (we picked 21st)!!!
I give us an A. We got the first or second non-Bushian running back (depending on who is rating), the first rated WR in the draft on most boards, the first rated kicker and the first rated fullback. Not a bad haul and if any of the other 5 or 6 guys pan out it is gravy.
that's the amazing thing to me...I mean yeah, San Fran and Houston had great drafts but they should. To get that kind of recognition in the bottom half is WAY more impressive.
still hard for an idiot like me to grade it out until we see how it plays out...I'm just glad they don't factor-in fan reaction when they make picks.
The brass did a great job. A solid A.
so did i, but the two i had us taking (dobbins and havner - who many liked around here) were available in the sixth and havner's still available....so i guess maybe the linebackers weren't as attractive as we all thought...
Like many of you, I was hoping for some linebackers or DBs.
But I like this draft very much after checking out the bios of our picks.
Plus the feeed back from this board.
We got a guy who COULD be a great runningback.
We got a guy who COULD be great receiver.
A couple of tight ends.
A BIG guy for Tackle.
Another guard. Always good for competition in camp.
A kicker with some great college numbers.
I can't wait for mini camp!
first day= A
second day- took gostkowski 3 rounds too early; hell u coulda gotten him as a udfa. the second TE/FB/H-BACK was too much, coulda gotten better value with alan zematis. did not address cornerback nor linebacker(not sure about mincey) issues on the 2nd day. so on sunday they get a C+
overall, i liked what they did on offense, but should have addressed defense in 4th/5th rounds. i really like jackson, although he wont be as big of an impact that javon walker would have been, but in the long term he will be better than branch. maroney is a good pick for dillon replacement in 07/08. i like thomas and i think this makes graham expendable but also think this pick could have been spent on defense.
I gave it A- i really liked David Thomas pick .
That rose bowl game really stood out in my mind
I am very very happy with the draft and am very excited for the season to start.
At first I was expecting some defense picks but felt for some time that a
better offense will also help a very good D.
I had no problem with PATs secondary or Dline. OLB was a question but
apparently BB has ideas to address that situation and it wasn't to be the
draft. No problem. In Bill I trust here. If he saw a big weakness withthe LB
core he would have done something.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Bill use some of his under used CAP to bring in
an experienced vet for the D.
Offense Offense Offense! YES! PATs have the potential to have an
very good Oline and excellent blocking from TEs and FBs.
The Mix of RBs should be fun to watch. Maroney can take reps and Dillion
won't get as tired and will do better because of it. Because Maroney is a
threat to take it to the house, opposing D's will have to account for him and
PATs passing attack will improve.
I expect to see more long sustained drives and
as a result the D will benefit as well.
I see PATs being able to often score first and get a good lead and make
Opposing Offenses have play catch up and thus help PATs defense tremendously.
I doubt two top drafted D Players would have done as much to improve this
team next year as BB's empahsis on Offense.
Bravo BB and Sp job well done.! A+
B overall A- for day 1..... Brady has to be thrilled. We are younger, faster and stronger at skill offense positions, which we really needed but I really saw this as a defensive bonanza draft...... As usual I was looking for the high-heat and got the nasty breaking pitch....:rocker:
I too expected a middle round LB, but the fact that they didn't draft one is more of a sign that they didn't need one than they don't know what they are doing. Mincey will probably be made into a LB, and I think they are expecting TBC, Claridge, Alexander, and Beisel to become more reliable. The only pick that confuses me is Mills. The Pats don't usually carry four TE, and they have fullbacks in Evans and Pass. It will be easier to evaluate this draft when we know what the teams intentions are for the players. At the moment I am not sure specifically where Mincey, Smith, Andrews, and Mills, but when I do it will be easier to grade this draft. For example if thry expect Mincey and Andrews to immediately step in at LB and S on defense, which I doubt they do, then I would grade this draft lower.
A from me.
You don't have enough high round picks to fill every need with can't-miss players. It's easy to say that we needed to look at LB and CB but what if we did? What if we didn't take a RB or the one we took was a late round flyer? What about WR? We'd still have no real backup at RB and our depth at WR would be ridiculous.
I grade the draft on how the players we took will improve the team, not on who we passed on. I see this team vastly improved. Many more weapons on offense, stronger on special teams and deeper on the lines. No complaints from me.
I'm not going to be so presumptuous as to grade a draft before even one game has been played in this new season, but I'm very surprised how disappointed a lot of you are that the Patriots didn't draft some highly touted linebacker early in this draft...and how that has deflated you....it's just crazy
Mincey was the 14 rated D lineman out of a 147 candidates...the knock on him was his weight, 259...not heavy enough to play DL....uh huh....so....not ringing a bell???...not seeping into your "sky is falling!!!!" mentalities yet??? Go look at his combine numbers again...see that size??? 6'4"....McG is 6'5"...see the weight? 260...Willie comes in around the same weight...look at Mincey's bench press...27 reps...look at his forty..5.67 at the pro day workout...what did he do at Florida??...rushed the edge....OK...now here's the mystical , almost impossible idea to grasp for all you scary Marys....just WHAT does the elephant positioin in the Patriots defense do??? Just WHAT kind of college player are you looking for to play THAT elephant position??? Do you take college linebackers for it?? NO!!! NO NO NO NO...the best candidates for elephant in the 3/4 are DEFENSIVE ENDS in the college ranks with height AND reach that are QUICK and lighter than NFL defensiuve ends.
Mincey should have gone no later than the 4th round...we STOLE him in the 6th...a TREMENDOUS pick by the best drafting tandem in the NFL the past five years, Belioli..
and half you clowns sit around grousing and muttering....."awww geee, we didn't draft a LB"
Unbelievable...never mind the RIDICULOUS steals for the OL....this draft is BB/Pioli's finest work to date...IMO
Even more surprising when you consider all the Fla. press reports about BB's visit while everyone else was busy signing FA's. It was no secret he was going to go after Mincey and Jackson in the draft.
No one is saying that the sky is falling or anything like that. However, we can be disappointed in some of the picks.
OK. A few things. McGinest was heavier than 260 when he was drafted. And McGinest played at 275. Also, no one is really complaining about the Mincey pick. But its just ONE pick. The Pats need probably 4 ILB and 4 OLB to be successful and account for potential injuries. Yes, Mincey will replace McGinest in a year or two. And he's a good project. But who is going to replace Bruschi? What about Vrabel? Who are the viable back-ups to the 4 starting LBs?
On Paper, its your opinion that this is their finest work. I guess we will have to wait and see how it plays out.
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