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    Sunday Night Football. This was the low point when everyone was laughing at Belichick. Colts fans at work the next day were quite gleeful. The dynasty was over. 2 seasons later, how sweet is this? At Indianapolis. Al Michaels and Chris Collingsworth. To win the 4th one, cementing Belichicks place at the top, Bradys place at the time, and the Patriots place along side the Packers, Steelers, and 49ers, in Indianapolis, would be ___________.
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    I have to say I thought that was the dumbest play call ever by BB. It took me a while to get over it. I don't blame other fans for laughing. I would be too if I wasn't a Pats fan.

    If we win a 4th superbowl, I will forgive BB for it. (J/K - I forgave him a long time ago. Still a really dumb play call).

    Edit - would be awesome, but that would be in any venue.
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    Faulk's forward progress made those 2 yards and just a little more. It should've been called. Why it wasn't, only the Refs and Goodell know.
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    Going for it was the right move IMO. I'm not sure I agree with the play call though.
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    It was the correct move. It's math. Anyone who disagrees simply doesn't get it.
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    It was the right call. It was the right play. They made the first down. Too bad the linesman was affected by the crowd and missed the spot.
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    Regardless of whether the call was right or wrong, my point was how great it would be for Belichick to go from where he was that night to where he would be Sunday night in the same place, from that ridicule to the very top again and perhaps for all time. And not just Belichick, but the entire franchise. After Colts and Saints games that year the Patriots had the look of the Celtics of the early 90's when the Big 3 were still there but they weren't really contenders anymore (some would say that describes the current team but the original big 3 team is a better parallel as they were a decade long dynasty). To reach the summit again at the home of their arch rival would be magical.
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    It was the right call to go for it..not sure i like the playcall though..always hated it since that game.

    As for the Colts and their fans...**** you, weakass laying down excuse of a franchise. Seems to me that the retarded little brother will prove to be a better adversary.
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    The thing about that play is this: Welker was wide open over the middle on that play...no defender within 3 yards of him. It would have been as easy a pitch-and-catch Brady had all day, but he was determined (predetermined by the play design, maybe?) to throw to Faulk. Oh well.....
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    Same thing happened on the critical 3rd and shorts in the 2006 and 2011 AFCCG.
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    Agree on the right call wrong play philosophy.

    I hated it then and I hate it now that the Pats can't in a KNOWN RUN play on 3-2 or less or 4-2 or less; come in and stuff the ball on the ground down someone's throat.

    The Indy D-line was not that big; we should have been able to have our way with them for 2 yards.

    The view of Welker open downfield makes you sick too.
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    That whole 4-down series was a train wreck. Brady was lucky he wasn't intercepted on 3rd/2.
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    My problem wasn't going for it, it was that it was pretty clear that BB only made the decision to go for it once he got to 4th down. The previous three playcalls don't support the idea that they considered themselves in a four-down situation starting the series.
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    Worse part...the same ref is the SB ref for the game. :bricks:
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    So fast forward to Sunday night. There's 90 seconds left and you're up by 4 on your on 40 and it's 4th and 2. Do you punt? It's not Peyton but his luckier than sh!t little brother. Do you want to give him the chance?
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    The decision to go for it (or not go for it) should not be measured strictly by the result of the play. It was a good decision to go for it. They just didn't convert. I'm glad we have a coach that is willing to put himself out there and defy the conventional football wisdom to do what he thinks is best for the team. I'm glad he doesn't play 'by the book' to avoid media criticism.
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    Not true at all. Watch the 'Football Life' programs on BB; he is already talking about 4th down before the 3rd down play.

    Plus there had been numerous times in that show where BB talked about going for it on 4th down 'from anywhere on the field', because he was trying to light a fire under that 2009 team. Well, that fire never really got lit, and they made a quick playoff exit.
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    I respectfully disagree and say you don't get it. It was dumb, dumb, dumb to go for it on 4th & 2 on the 28 when we were sputtering on offense. We could have punted them deep, even if the defense was tired. BB always operates on the idea of "team game" and he didn't let his defense try to bail him out or hang on. We didn't even have that bad a defense back then. I sat there in disbelief watching the game, yelling at the TV, "you are not seriously going for it here! you are not seriously going for it here!" even while they were snapping the ball. Look what happened in 2010 - Peytie Pie was driving for the winning score and our awful D picked him off and ended the game. That could have happened on 4th & 2, too, but NO, BB went for it in a real head scratcher (to me anyway).
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    That just makes the playcalls made even stupider, then.
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    They were on the 28, not the 40 when 4 & 2 happened. I'd still punt if I was on my own side of the field. Would go for it if I was on the other team's 40 (maybe; would still have to think long and hard about it - plus in-game facts matter - have they been moving the ball on us all day and it's a shoot out, or have we been stuffing them all day and it's 14-10?)
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    14-10....uggggggggggggg.

    I was thinking it was the 38 for some reason. Either way I don't think it matters that much and the 28 might even give you another shot with more time should they score. I think I might prefer it if they lined up to punt and if everything was right for it went for the fake. I know with the Chung play that's a bit haunting as well.
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    I thought then they should have punted. But, as others have pointed out, in this thread and others, the problem was the third down play call. It was 3rd and 2 and if BB thought he was in "4 down territory", the 3rd down play call should have been a run....hell, even a QB sneak.... in order to at least make it a 4th and less then a foot, and also keep the clock running.
    Plus...

    Worst. Spot. Ever.
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    No, the 28. That's what made the call to go for it so bad in my mind. Sorry about the 14-10 reference, but I guess that's why BB gets paid the big bucks, and all we have to do is cheer the team, then pick apart his decisions, even several years later :). Most of the time I have no problem with what BB or the team does, even if it doesn't work. That one was just a giveaway, though, in my mind. BB doesn't usually play that way.
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    i probably punt and try to pin them inside there own twenty . . .it is kind of two different situations . .. in 09 you are playing on the road, on ur own 28, 2 mins to go, etc . . . but give me 10 or so more yards and 30 seconds off the clock, i might punt . ..
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    the other thing about a shorter field 28 as opposed to 40 and more time on the clock, is that the opponent, if they are going to score, will likely score fairly quick thus giving you another possession only down by 1,

    . .. so basically by punting there you had an opportunity to get 2 possessions (your 4th down play (pos. 1) and the ball back after they score (pos. 2)) to their 1 possession , it was basically a 2 for 1 deal, not that different you see often times in basketball, within the last minute and a team takes a quick shot with say 30-35 seconds in the game or half, so they can get another possession after the opponents possession (that is with 30-35 secs in the game/half the opponent cant run the clock out [with a 24 sec clock] and unless they get an off rebound, you will get the final possession.

    similarly in the 4th and 2 game, had Merriweter gotten the memo and let Addai into the endzone with a minute left, we get the ball back only trailing by 1 witha minute to go . . . couple this will the fact that we had the first oppotrunity with the 4th and 2, this gives us TWO chances to win the game . . .

    however, if we punt in that situation, and indy has to start from say their own 30, they will likely burn up that minute to move the ball back to our 28 yard line . . .

    so bottom line, altho it didn't happen as addai did not score at the one minute mark buy wayne with seconds to go, the 4th and 2 gave us two opportunitys to win, were as the punt would of only given us one, i,e, stop thier final drive . . .
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