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  1. upstater1

    upstater1 Rookie

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    I'm really tired of watching this kid get held, tackled, hands to the face (constantly) and a new one this week. He was literally grabbed with an arm bar and held when he had a clear path to Dalton on one of the Bengals' biggest plays of the game.
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    it doesnt matter hes still a patriot, and as such gets treated differently(more poorly)
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    Offensive holding is as bad as PI with the randomness of the calls.
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    Can we just get past the "refs are against us" mentality.

    We sound like a bunch of Jet fans. :rocker:
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    Right? It's like the pats are entitled :rolleyes:
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    Holding is one of the most subjective calls in all sports. Complaining about it every week is useless.
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    What about hands to the face?
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    You think this doesn't happen on every play to the best defensive linemen. ? You think JJ Watt doesn't get held ? Aldon Smith ? Vonn Miller, they have to work through the holds.
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    He has been getting more holding calls this year, hasn't he?
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    He has been a monster this year. He'll be top 3 DE by next year if he continues like this.
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    How exactly do you work through a hold? That's like saying a butterfly needs to work through a spiderweb and fly.
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    I wish some of you would stop whining like a couple of little b1tches,especially after a loss.

    The Pats get away with holding calls and penalties as much as the other teams do,we don't have a anti-Patriot conspiracy in the NFL by the refs.

    Grow the fu(k up and deal with it,every team gets screwed now and then.
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    When you have a defensive player in a choke hold from behind its not subjective.

    Ive seen Jones and Wilfork both grabbed around the neck several times after beating their blockers in an effort to impede their progress to the QB. And, who is complaining every week? This is the first thread that I have seen addressing the isssue.
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    Some people, like PatsfaninPa, are knee-jerk reactionaries. They have to throw in their 2 cents any time a referee is mentioned, even if it's on point. Even if the person complaining (me) hasn't complained once about this.

    And yes everyone I know holding is common! What's happening to Jones goes way beyond. Grabbing a guy's facemask and jacking his neck skyward on rushes is not a common occurrence. With Jones it is.
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    I believe the officials are instructed not to call offensive holding if they deem it didn't affect the play. Unfortunately when an edge rusher is held it's often quite a ways from the QB, so it's easy for the official to question the impact even if it's blatant. I was unable to find anything about it at the NFL level, but More on Holding | Art of Officiating

    Not that I don't agree with you. I think that asking officials to make such decisions real-time is unreasonable. PI and OH need to be improved given their impact on games.
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    I have totally given up on understanding PI in today's NFL. The announcers can rationalize all they want but each call or non-call seems to have a different litany of excuses as to why what we thought we saw we didn't see.

    And what ever happened to the Polian Whine emphasis on contact beyond 5 yds after the LOS? I'm seeing DBs get away with this time after time. Why isn't it called" Or better yet, allowed?

    Less subjective and more blatant and dangerous that holding is the hands to the face call. Every couple series in replay I can see someone getting shoved in the face mask, something easily observed by the refs but it only gets called about once a game.

    The bottom line to all of this is that the league, seemingly deliberately, has moved to an increasingly subjective interpretation of infractions by the refs. While this is nowhere near NBA lunacy (one of the reasons I abandoned that sport) it leaves the door wide open for a team to acquire a championship via deliberate or subconscious referee favoritism or worse.
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    In our defense, defensive holding might as well be called the Polian hates Ty Law rule.

    But yes, great players still beat out holds. Peppers has been doing it for ten years. Watt is just too much of a beast. He's too overwhelming to get much of a hold on.
  18. ThatllMoveTheChains!!!

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    Plus if we're going to waste time complaining about blatant infractions that went uncalled we might as well live in the past.

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    To be clear, though, Jones has been on the team for two years now. I'm not singling out one call. It's the repetitive stuff. He's held here and there? No big deal. I just can't see how a tackle can grab his facemask and twist his head skyward 10 times a game.
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    Has he ? Maybe because I haven't seen all of the games, but 3.5 sacks in 5 games isn't exactly a monster. I need more out of him before I consider him one of the top 3 DEs in football. I need him to be in the top 10 in sacks. That's just my opinion.

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