Not sure what this is...

[signbabybrady]

I'm not the one pretending that bringing the chick to the playoff game was keeping things private. Making that claim is about as foolish as it gets. And Gronk was chastised by the organization (“Just always be careful, always watch out,"), which is what I was talking about.

No instead you are pretending that being seen in public with a "date" is some sort of announcement to the world. Let me ask you this, lets assume the two had been dating for a month prior to the playoff game and lets assume every date they went on had been kept in private. Might there be a point where your date might think you are embarassed of her by not showing your face in public? They cant hide forever doesnt mean that the first time they show their faces in public has to be some major public announcement. Rather it would seem more like a I dont care what you think I like this person type statement and not meant for the public as much as the person he is dating.

 

[BSR]

I had no problem with Gronk and the pic.

I have no problem with Kraft helping out the woman.

I have a problem with the notion that Kraft's not "guilty" of something similar to what Gronk was, when he's taken the woman out in public and the audition was apparently done in a location that's identifiable with the brand and had Kraft saying/doing things that pretty clearly don't reflect well on the brand.

And your argument here is idiotic. You know that too. You should probably have followed the first rule of holes several posts back, because now you're just clowning yourself.

You are dismissing the main distinction. Gronk was promoting the pic where as Kraft was not promoting the video. Jones has said that it was a promotional stunt. If Landers comes out to say the same thing, then I would agree that they are similar. Until then, I think this is a case of something coming out that wasn't meant to come out. I know you want to dismiss Jones' remarks but I don't know why when Gronk never refuted it.

 

[BSR]

The link you provided was what Jonathan had to say after Gronk's shirtless dancing post superbowl loss. Here is what Robert said to him after the porn star photo session...



Apparently that now translates to do as I say not as I do...

That is the one I was trying to quote. I think Kraft would agree with that. Kraft's error was in assuming the video would stay private. I assume that if he had know it would leak out that he would never have done the reading.

 

[signbabybrady]

I had no problem with Gronk and the pic.

I have no problem with Kraft helping out the woman.

I have a problem with the notion that Kraft's not "guilty" of something similar to what Gronk was, when he's taken the woman out in public and the audition was apparently done in a location that's identifiable with the brand and had Kraft saying/doing things that pretty clearly don't reflect well on the brand.

And your argument here is idiotic. You know that too. You should probably have followed the first rule of holes several posts back, because now you're just clowning yourself.

Not sure how you can compare Krafts acting out a scene as reflecting on anything other than he is a bad actor? Nothing said in that scene is a reflection of Krafts real thoughts and is instead a reflection on the role he was preforming. It was a PG-13 movie too so lets not talk about Bibi as just an actress too. Do you have a problem with Brady going on Family Guy or Entourage? Two shows with a fairly raunchy history.

I am glad you have no problem with either and makes a previous post of mine to you mute.

how is Gronk or Kraft guilty of anything if you have no problem with it? Instead of just initamating to the people with a skewed perspective that you feel nothing is wrong you are instead trying to justify one against the other as being the same when there some not so suttle differences between the two and again you said you have a problem with neither. Your problem is with those trying to say one is ok and not the other and then you pretty much do the same despite saying you have a problem with neither.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

No instead you are pretending that being seen in public with a "date" is some sort of announcement to the world. Let me ask you this, lets assume the two had been dating for a month prior to the playoff game and lets assume every date they went on had been kept in private. Might there be a point where your date might think you are embarassed of her by not showing your face in public? They cant hide forever doesnt mean that the first time they show their faces in public has to be some major public announcement. Rather it would seem more like a I dont care what you think I like this person type statement and not meant for the public as much as the person he is dating.

This has next to nothing to do with whom he is dating or even that he's dating. The problem is he did something needlessly ill advised in her company he would chastise a player to be careful of doing, committing something to film that might embarass the brand, his brand, in the eyes of fans and sponsors. It's the vulgar language as much as anything that most folks are finding offensive. Are some also being judgemental about the relationship, probably. Welcome to the real world. She's less than half his age and an aspiring actress... so that's to be expected.

 

[livinginthe past]

Seems like some people are struggling to differentiate between 'privacy' and 'secrecy'.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

That is the one I was trying to quote. I think Kraft would agree with that. Kraft's error was in assuming the video would stay private. I assume that if he had know it would leak out that he would never have done the reading.

Under the circumstances only a fool would assume it wouldn't leak out. An old fool perhaps but one none the less. This is the information age. Once you film it and send it...it's fair game for the world wide web.

 

[Deus Irae]

No instead you are pretending that being seen in public with a "date" is some sort of announcement to the world.

No, I'm pointing out that taking her to the game is not trying to keep it private.

Let me ask you this, lets assume the two had been dating for a month prior to the playoff game and lets assume every date they went on had been kept in private. Might there be a point where your date might think you are embarassed of her by not showing your face in public? They cant hide forever doesnt mean that the first time they show their faces in public has to be some major public announcement. Rather it would seem more like a I dont care what you think I like this person type statement and not meant for the public as much as the person he is dating.

This is all irrelevant. I was refuting a claim, not making a value judgment about Kraft and the woman.

 

[Deus Irae]

You are dismissing the main distinction. Gronk was promoting the pic where as Kraft was not promoting the video. Jones has said that it was a promotional stunt. If Landers comes out to say the same thing, then I would agree that they are similar. Until then, I think this is a case of something coming out that wasn't meant to come out. I know you want to dismiss Jones' remarks but I don't know why when Gronk never refuted it.

I'm not dismissing the main distinction. The distinction you're trying to claim is so important isn't a distinction at all.

 

[signbabybrady]

This has next to nothing to do with whom he is dating or even that he's dating. The problem is he did something needlessly ill advised in her company he would chastise a player to be careful of doing, committing something to film that might embarass the brand, his brand, in the eyes of fans and sponsors. It's the vulgar language as much as anything that most folks are finding offensive. Are some also being judgemental about the relationship, probably. Welcome to the real world. She's less than half his age and an aspiring actress... so that's to be expected.

I do not agree with this at all and I think past evidence has proven this. Lets not forget that Kraft was acting however bad the acting may have been he was acting. Brady has been on some pretty raunchy shows in the past Entourage and Family Guy and nowhere did he get chastised. I think there is a clear differnce between professional acting and say Spikes chat roulette video.

As to your last comment sure it may be expected but doesnt make it right.

 

[Sciz]

Kraft:
"I tried to help Ricki prepare an audition tape for an upcoming Vince Vaughn/Owen Wilson comedy by reading Wilson’s lines. I never intended that it would be made public and I regret that it has. I think we can all agree that Owen Wilson has nothing to worry about. I am going to stick to my day job."

 

[Deus Irae]

Not sure how you can compare Krafts acting out a scene as reflecting on anything other than he is a bad actor? Nothing said in that scene is a reflection of Krafts real thoughts and is instead a reflection on the role he was preforming. It was a PG-13 movie too so lets not talk about Bibi as just an actress too. Do you have a problem with Brady going on Family Guy or Entourage? Two shows with a fairly raunchy history.

Kraft was doing something that had the potential to 'damage' the brand, just as Gronk was. For crying out loud, Gronk's only "crime" was taking a picture with some chick wearing a jersey should could have bought at the pro shop. I don't know why you can't see something that blatantly obvious.

I am glad you have no problem with either and makes a previous post of mine to you mute.

how is Gronk or Kraft guilty of anything if you have no problem with it? Instead of just initamating to the people with a skewed perspective that you feel nothing is wrong you are instead trying to justify one against the other as being the same when there some not so suttle differences between the two and again you said you have a problem with neither. Your problem is with those trying to say one is ok and not the other and then you pretty much do the same despite saying you have a problem with neither.

Your problem is that you took a position without thinking about it, much like BSR. In isolation, I have no problem with Gronk's picture taking. In isolation, I have no problem with Kraft's audition work. My point is that we're looking at sauce for the goose and sauce for the gander here.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Bibi asked Gronk if she could post the pictures, because some athletes don't want her to, and said it would get him more twitter followers...The 21 year old kid of course said hell, yeah. His boss later told him to be more careful. Then his new 30 something gal pal who is an aspiring actress asked him if he could run lines with her and do an audition tape that would probably get a lot more notice than if some other, you know, actor did...and he said sure...

Same deal. Now Gronk gets to tell him to be more careful.

 

[BradyManny]

Everyone deals with grief differently and this changes nothing. Had he announced an engagement or ran off and eloped maybe it would be a little different. For all any of us know he has been crying himself to sleep for a year and decided to get back on the horse. And just because he has started dating doesnt mean he cant still be crying himself to sleep.

This is a perfectly fair point - and like I said, we don't know what the man is going through.

There is obviously a huge difference between the lifelong loving relationship he had with Myra and whatever you want to call his interaction with this actress half his age. In his mind, maybe they have nothing to do with one another.

That said, even understanding all that, and even knowing we can't relate to his situation - my own gut reaction is that it isn't consistent with who I believe Kraft is, and seems a little out of place with what we know about him. It just doesn't seem right. I don't think having that gut judgement is out of line.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Kraft:
"I tried to help Ricki prepare an audition tape for an upcoming Vince Vaughn/Owen Wilson comedy by reading Wilson’s lines. I never intended that it would be made public and I regret that it has. I think we can all agree that Owen Wilson has nothing to worry about. I am going to stick to my day job."

As he should.

OK then, let's all nut up and move on.

 

[signbabybrady]

Kraft was doing something that had the potential to 'damage' the brand, just as Gronk was. For crying out loud, Gronk's only "crime" was taking a picture with some chick wearing a jersey should could have bought at the pro shop. I don't know why you can't see something that blatantly obvious.

I have no problem with either incident and I honestly (obviuos speculation on my part) dont think Kraft had a big problem with Gronks incident instead I think his advice was more personal to Gronk that you should know the person your helping out better before doing it and I assume had they been in a real relationship he might not be thrilled about the porn star stigma but probably would not have said anything.

I am basing my speculation on the multitude of other ways Kraft could have come down on Gronk had he had a real problem but he instead took a small moment in passing to advise Gronk to be more careful.

Your problem is that you took a position without thinking about it, much like BSR. In isolation, I have no problem with Gronk's picture taking. In isolation, I have no problem with Kraft's audition work. My point is that we're looking at sauce for the goose and sauce for the gander here.

I didn't need to think much about my position because I think both incidents are remarkably tame. And I dont think it is goose and gander as Gronk presumably had no relationship with Bibi nor with hindsight wanted one but on the other hand Kraft appears to be in a relationship with Ricki and one was intentially put out to the public by one of the 2 parties in the picture. Maybe we find out it was Ricki who leaked the video but until then there is no evidence that the leak had to do with self promotion.

 

[signbabybrady]

This is a perfectly fair point - and like I said, we don't know what the man is going through.

There is obviously a huge difference between the lifelong loving relationship he had with Myra and whatever you want to call his interaction with this actress half his age. In his mind, maybe they have nothing to do with one another.

That said, even understanding all that, and even knowing we can't relate to his situation - my own gut reaction is that it isn't consistent with who I believe Kraft is, and seems a little out of place with what we know about him. It just doesn't seem right. I don't think having that gut judgement is out of line.

I would say this is a fair point as well and I even said it was a little creepy but I cant go much further than that.

 

[Deus Irae]

I have no problem with either incident and I honestly (obviuos speculation on my part) dont think Kraft had a big problem with Gronks incident instead I think his advice was more personal to Gronk that you should know the person your helping out better before doing it and I assume had they been in a real relationship he might not be thrilled about the porn star stigma but probably would not have said anything.

I am basing my speculation on the multitude of other ways Kraft could have come down on Gronk had he had a real problem but he instead took a small moment in passing to advise Gronk to be more careful.

I'm not speculating. I'm taking the facts and applying them. Gronk got a talking to over a harmless photo. Kraft was just as "wrong" here. Can we expect that he'll look in the mirror and give himself the same talking to? Will he have another talk with Gronk and say "My bad."?

I didn't need to think much about my position because I think both incidents are remarkably tame. And I dont think it is goose and gander as Gronk presumably had no relationship with Bibi nor with hindsight wanted one but on the other hand Kraft appears to be in a relationship with Ricki and one was intentially put out to the public by one of the 2 parties in the picture. Maybe we find out it was Ricki who leaked the video but until then there is no evidence that the leak had to do with self promotion.

The public/private aspect of the relationship is irrelevant. However, it's ridiculous to pretend that Kraft wasn't intentionally putting his out to the public. He, Bob Kraft, the famous owner of the Patriots who was destined to have a camera on him in a public venue in Boston, took the woman to a playoff game.

 

[signbabybrady]

The public/private aspect of the relationship is irrelevant. However, it's ridiculous to pretend that Kraft wasn't intentionally putting his out to the public. He, Bob Kraft, the famous owner of the Patriots who was destined to have a camera on him in a public venue in Boston, took the woman to a playoff game.

Now you are mixing intentially putting something out there. I agree as it relates to the playoff game that Kraft knew it would be public the second he stepped into the Gahden. So what nothing wrong there. What I was referring to in that last comment was that Kraft running lines with his actress that included vulger language was not intentially put out by the two (Kraft or Ricki) where as the Bibi Gronk photo was released by Bibi and thus the reason for the photo was different than the reason for the video. The photo was done to publicly self promote where as the video was intended to privately promote Ricki to the people deciding on the cast.


As you have stated that you dont have a issue with either incident I am failing to figure out where you are coming from in these arguments and I really think this goes to the fact that you dont seem to ever be able to side with management and instead always seem to go out of your to take a contrarian point to whatever management does whether that be the contract negotiations of management or things like this.

 

[Deus Irae]

Now you are mixing intentially putting something out there. I agree as it relates to the playoff game that Kraft knew it would be public the second he stepped into the Gahden. So what nothing wrong there. What I was referring to in that last comment was that Kraft running lines with his actress that included vulger language was not intentially put out by the two (Kraft or Ricki) where as the Bibi Gronk photo was released by Bibi and thus the reason for the photo was different than the reason for the video. The photo was done to publicly self promote where as the video was intended to privately promote Ricki to the people deciding on the cast.


As you have stated that you dont have a issue with either incident I am failing to figure out where you are coming from in these arguments and I really think this goes to the fact that you dont seem to ever be able to side with management and instead always seem to go out of your to take a contrarian point to whatever management does whether that be the contract negotiations of management or things like this.

Ok, now you're just losing your mind. It's sad to see, but not unexpected during the silly season.

This isn't a management issue.