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  1. Palm Beach Pats Fan

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    That is a boatload of career TDs, and if he stays here in NE somehow for the remainder of his career, catching Jerry Rice's career mark is a very tall task but not impossible.

    congrats to an all-time great!
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    If this team is going to make the playoffs it would be nice if he can get 160 and 161 by december.
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    look i know were a forum of mostly ill-advised football observers but can some one please explain to me why there is apparently no effort to re-sign this stud?
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    197 touchdown receptions as a receiver

    208 total TDs (10 rushing, 1 return)
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    Rice has 208 touchdowns... But Rice played so long that he was going to be cut in training camp by Denver his last year.

    I don't think Moss is going to be the type that plays so long he is just a JAG receiver.
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    Did a little googling...Rice's records are......

    Receptions (1,549)
    Receiving yards (22,895)
    Touchdown receptions (197)
    Yards from scrimmage (23,540)
    All-purpose yards (23,546)
    Combined rushing and receiving touchdowns (207)
    Total touchdowns (208) [197 receiving, 10 rushing, 1 fumble return]

    Plus records by quarter, etc. Sick.
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    I would love to see Moss signed to one more three year deal, personally.
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    I'm as big a Moss fan as you will find but even I will admit he's clearly lost a step in his 3 years here. Other than TD's, he's started the year pretty slow from a yards and catches perspective.
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    Welshman, that comes with the territory of Brady having a lot of people to throw to in the offense.
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    One can easily look up YAC stats and back them out of the QB numbers if they are that dissatisfied with the current situation. BTW, Welker leads the league in YAC over the last few years (or maybe it is YAC avg per catch) so you are saying that Brady should have a lof of his yards subtracted.
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    Moss has a low average yards per game this season because he has had a few big drops and also has played against top tier talent. It will be interesting to see how his stats shape up this season going against teams like Minnesota, Detroit, Chicago, and the Packers.

    I can't imagine how high his stats would be if he played the same schedule as Andre Johnson does. Colts x2, Titans x2, and Jacksonville x2. :eek:
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    Moss is the most dominating player I have ever watched, dating back to the early 70's, play in the NFL. I dare say that if Moss had the HOF calibre QB's that Rice enjoyed, during much of his best years, then Moss likely would be on the doorstep of breaking Rice's records as we speak.
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    don't go there, seriously.

    Moss played in a dome with a pretty good QB for a majority of his career. He also was the prime beneficiary of playing with the 2007 Patriots, the greatest offense in the history of football.

    In Oakland, Moss played on a sh!tty team so lets say he lost about 20 TD over 3 yrs but he also dogged it for most of that time and gave up on lots of his routes.

    He doesn't really deserve the benefit of the doubt.
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    Just because a throw doesn't travel a long distance doesn't mean it was an easy throw to make, OR that the receiver was able to run after the catch based on his own pure awesomeness alone.

    A QB who leads his receiver well so that the receiver can make the catch in stride and keep running should be rewarded over the QB who throws less accurate passes, forcing the receiver to stop or contort to catch it and not have the momentum to run after the catch.
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    I can go there if I please thank-you because it's fact! Look it up for yourself!
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    Not only do I agree, I also note he only lost 2 years in Oakland. He's the most amazing physical freak to ever play the position, but I don't think his work ethic is as insane as Rice's. Not that it's bad, it's just not what Rice's was, which isn't exactly an insult since Rice was, in a word, insane.
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    YAC has a whole lot to do with the QB. QBs that hit their receivers perfectly in stride create a lot of YAC.
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    As sick as this is, it doesn't even begin to touch how sick his records really are. For example, the spread between Rice and the #2 all-time receiving yards leader (about 7,500 to Isaac Bruce at 15,208) is equal to the spread between Bruce at #2 and Bobby Engram at #85. There are 34 guys who have 10,000+ receiving yards, and 33 of them are between 15,208 and 10,000, and then there is Rice, who lapped the entire field.

    There is breaking records, and then there is CRUSHING records. Rice is the rough equivalent of Babe Ruth in terms of receivers. So incredibly much better than everyone else who ever played at the position, it isn't even funny. That said, if Moss can keep it up for another 5 or so years after this one, on a team with Brady as QB, he can come pretty close to some of those numbers.
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    Are you kidding? Minnesota fielded terrible quarterbacks while Moss was there; they only looked as good as they did because it's easy to read coverage when Moss is perpetually doubled or tripled (that's how Nate Burleson became a stud #2WR in that offense), and 40 yard TD passes were as simple as throw it as hard as you can in Moss's general direction and he'd usually come down with it.

    QB's who started for Moss's Vikings:

    35 year-old Randall Cunningham: Only got the job because Brad Johnson got hurt. Had a cannon arm and a ridiculously long windup. The fact that he could just heave it up to Moss long before the pass rush had any chance of getting to him added an all-pro year to his career that he had no business having. Just look at his stats before and after 1998: Randall Cunningham

    By 1999, opponents had realized that you could render him useless by throwing 2-3 defenders at Moss and the rest at Cunningham himself. He was benched by midseason.

    Jeff George: came in after Cunningham proved ineffective in 1999: Had a cannon arm, and that was all he really needed. Same strategy as Cunningham- when in doubt, chuck it at Moss.

    Todd Bouman: textbook JAG, had to start a few games in 2001 and ended up looking better than he ever looked again after that: even managed to post a 98.3 QB rating over 5 games.

    Daunte Culpepper: The ultimate example of how Moss made crappy quarterbacks look good. In 5 years with Moss, everyone thought Culpepper was an all-pro. Probably would have won an MVP in 2004 if Manning hadn't gone and set the TD record the same year. Even now, everyone claims that the only reason why he sucks is because his knee got torn up. But look at the 7 games after Moss was traded, but before Culpepper blew his knee out:

    7 games, 1564 yards (223 y/g), 6 TDs, 12 INTs, 31 sacks taken, 72 QB rating.

    Remember, the year before that (with Moss), Culpepper had a 110 rating, 4700 yards and 39 TD passes. He was an MVP candidate in 2004, then they get rid of Moss, and suddenly he's an indecisive QB who can't read coverages and throws twice as many picks as TDs. What everyone outside of the Dolphins' front office quickly realized was that Moss had been covering for Culpepper for years. He made a JAG who held the ball too long and couldn't read coverages to save his life look like an all pro.

    In his first year playing with a legitimately good NFL quarterback, Moss submitted the most dominant season by a WR in NFL history.

    See, this is what bugs me about people who'd like to rewrite history and claim that Moss was lucky enough to play in good offenses for his entire career. I get the distinct sense that they didn't actually watch most of those offenses, because those of us who did realize that it wasn't Moss who was lucky enough to land in great offense after great offense. He made offenses great by playing in them. The 1998 Vikings were the highest-scoring offense of all time with a 35 year old former scrambler who never had a productive season again at QB. Randy Moss singlehandedly made or extended the pro bowl careers of Randall Cunningham, Daunte Culpepper, and Cris Carter (who, for all his *****ing, benefited more than anyone else from the obscene attention that Moss drew from opposing secondaries. He was putting up pro bowl numbers with rapidly diminishing talent well into his mid-30s).
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