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    The test, the Program for International Student Assessment, known as PISA, was given to 15-year-old students by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, a Paris-based group that includes the world’s major industrial powers.

    The results are to be released officially on Tuesday, but advance copies were provided to the news media a day early.

    “We have to see this as a wake-up call,” Secretary of Education Arne Duncan said in an interview on Monday.

    “I know skeptics will want to argue with the results, but we consider them to be accurate and reliable, and we have to see them as a challenge to get better,” he added. “The United States came in 23rd or 24th in most subjects. We can quibble, or we can face the brutal truth that we’re being out-educated.”

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    Yup, time to wrest control of the education system away from the teacher's unions and liberals. We have proof their methods don't work.
     
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    Time for a change, certainly....although it's a start there's probably more to it than what you say here, Khayos....like more parent participation, less hungry children, safer school systems, less textbooks being printed in Texas, less emphasis on sports and more emphasis on scholastics, better pay for teachers, more respect being given to teachers from parents, students and taxpayers alike, less behaviour controlling drugs being given to kids and more effort being put into good old-fashioned parental and teacher control instead.

    I'd also like to see kids fail once again.....there's nothing wrong with getting an "F." There are multiple school systems now giving "Incomplete" grades to kids who have failed a subject so that their college applications are not rejected due to a failing grade. Why try if there's no penalty for failing and no reward for succeeding?
     
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    Our public School System now is focused on Brainwashing the children on social issuses (who they should bring home to dinner) and for some strange reason "SEX" the left wing school system seems to be obssesed with Sex (same sex marriage, condoms, cucumbers and just plain f-cking in general.

    They all laugh at the old tradition of waiting until marriage for their sex most girls are knocked up or already have a couple of kids before marriage, shacking up is now the way to go, remember you newly weds, have you guys ever wondered how many men have screwed your wife before you met her, lol, they teach the kids how to do all this sh!t right in your public schools.

    The old days of reading writenen and rithmatic are all over, to day the Teacher trys to tell your kid who they should be playing with and that all that God stuff is a bunch of sh!t.

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    Statistics do not bear you out, Harry.

    In 2006, there were 42 births per 1,000 women aged 15–19. The rate has dropped by 32% since 1991, when it was 62 per 1,000, but increased 4% between 2005 and 2006.[12]

    Facts on American Teens' Sexual and Reproductive Health

    Personally, I find you more obsessed with SEX than any liberal I've ever met here or anywhere.
     
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    My own statistics tell me that our Big Citys and Housing Projects are loaded with illigitimate children and women with four or five kids all fathered by different guys, there are thousands of kids in America that have no idea who their father is.

    People like me aren't obsessed with Sex we seem to be because we have it shoved down our throats daily by todays "Sex Happy Society" today America runs on sex, watch TV, go to the Movies, watch the stupid "Sit Coms" read the ads in any magazine, it is "Liberal Left Wing America" that is obsessed with Sex not me, I just comment on their bullsh!t then I am accused of sex obsession, the reason I am accused is because I disagree with the liberals obsession with sex, if I didn't see people screwing each other and flopping around naked in bed every time I turn the TV on I probably wouldn't even think of sex until I wanted to flop around naked in bed myself.

    If the Left Wing has it's way we'll all be copulating on the subway and in church on Sunday mornings.

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    Maybe it's time to cancel your subscription to Pay-for-View, Harry.

    Or try watching news shows or talk shows or something. TV is funny that way....you control what channels you watch. There's absolutely no reason for you to be watching people flopping around in bed on your television set unless you, yourself, have put that particular channel on.

    I am one of those people who leaves the television set on at all times - just for the background noise - the only "sex" I've seen on TV in the last few months that I can think of is one 3AM commercial for something called "The Trojan Vibrating Mini Massager," which featured 4 or 5 fairly ugly young women at a bachlorette party opening gifts and a whole slew of silly Cialis commercials with an older man and a younger woman sitting in their own respective bathtubs on a sea-shore.

    I've not witnessed one single act of "flopping," anywhere.

    But then again, I don't watch FOX like you do, either...maybe that's the problem.
     
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    I think a good start to improving our education system would be eliminate the federal gov't from being involved in it. Let all the $$ go local. We don't need $$ being wasted at the federal level. We can not manage the public system of education at the federal level...it's just too big.
     
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    Watch "Everybody Loves Raymond" watch some of the other moronic Sit Coms, watch HBO, Obama's dog has sex with Windbag Biden's leg every morning when Biden takes him out to do pee pee.
     
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    Right...ok...a show that had it's start on television 15 years ago and hasn't had a new episode for the last 6 years.

    Why would I want to do that, Harry?

    Like I said....if you're stupid enough to pay to watch it then I have to assume you want to watch it. No one, absolutely NO ONE is forcing you to watch a pay-for-view channel like HBO.

    I'm lost here, Harry. Is this something that HBO broadcasts film of daily or is it just more of your lost-little-man ranting?

    Or maybe it's a favorite fantasy of yours.

    Hard to tell with you sometimes.
     
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    Do kids perform any better in red states or other areas that traditionally vote Republican?

    I agree with you re teachers' unions, but I'm pretty skeptical that education will be any better under, say, a Texas school board advocating the teaching of creation as science than under a Cambridge school board that stresses multiculturalism more than you might like.
     
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    I'd advocate something that's different from both. I think the federal government absolutely needs to set standards and priorities for education in the country.

    Education may be the single most important issue we're facing, imo. We can't leave it to localities to decide what is important.

    That said, I'd agree with virtually all $ remaining at the local level. While direction needs to come from the top ("strategy"), implementation needs to come from the bottom ("tactics").
     
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    I stopped watching HBO it's embarrassing to listen to those actors try to say the word "f-ck" they love that word in the entertainment business but most of them don't know how to say it, there are only two actors who have perfected it and say it properly they are Joe Pesci and Robert De Niro.
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    THE NCLB legislation was supposed to address this, but all it did was increase the burden of regulations on educational systems and an attempt to build in standardized testing that is just another burden.

    What they all fail to recognize, is that everyone is not college bound, no everyone will be a rocket scientist.. I suspect that as we have compulsory education. In places like China, Hong Kong etc. school is not compulsory.

    Unions are an easy scapegoat, but if you look at the advent of federal legislation i.e. PL 94-142 and No Child Left Behind there was an immediate spike in spending immediately thereafter. Time and time again have spoken with educators who are burdened with more and more regulations, without the accompanying assets or accompanying money necessary to achieve the goals.

    Invariably after Federal Regulations there are increase state regulations, somewhere in all of this are a bunch of kids who are not college bound, but are included in all of these tests.. while in other countries those who are not so inclined can quit and pursue the world of work.
     
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    Excellent points Darryl. Also, we have to keep in mind that children of developing nations will always have more motivation than countries like ours.

    Great points on the burdens created by federal gov't in public education. It's so strange how our system seemed to work so well for decades and now appears on the decline.

    Maybe that's because very few countries used to compete with us and now they almost all are. Do we have to have "The Best" system in the world? No, we don't. But we also have no excuse not to be among the top 10.
     
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    Doesn't surprise me at all. The dumbing down of America has been in full effect for a long time. They can't pass so make it easier. A high school diploma in this country isn't worth the paper it's Xeroxed on. Everyone gets a trophy. And don't get me started on degrees. Show up and pay the tuition and get handed one. And you get this or this or this...
     
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    Back to the basics thats all thats needed, thats why many Home Schooled kids make most Public Schooled kids look like morons, todays liberal teachers spend to much time on their "Social Sh!t" (making sure Tommy the Irish kid sits next to Nanuk the Eskimo kid) slopping silly bullsh!t.

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    Ha ha ha. You're too polite.
     
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    Maybe we should throw more money at it, along with more federal control. That seems to have worked well both here, and just about everywhere such a method has been practiced.
     
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    It's obviously been a long time since you've been in a classroom. Anyways, the guy who lead the report was on NPR and he said that 2 major things stood out: 1) Finland, which rated very highly, actively recruits the top 5-6% of graduates to become teachers (and pays them accordingly), and 2) the biggest problem for the US was actually the fact that students' social backgrounds had undue influence on their success in school. That was partly due to home life and influences, and partly due to unequal dispensation of money to school districts. I.e., Schools in bad areas are underfunded. So of course, when we talk about "hurr, the libruls" a and "durr, the unions", we really mean that it is socioeconomic disparity in this country that is a significant contributor to our decline in education. When did this all start? Hmmm, about 30 years ago. Fancy that.
     

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