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    This thread should stickied. We should refer to it often!!!!
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    He's nearly the only thing this board can point to with pride this weekend. Notice how few comments, no consipracy means no opportunity for all the armchair geniuses hereabouts to vent and tear that Belichick idiot a new one...LOL

    They feel misled and let down. First they were sure Cassel was useless and then they were informed he was potentially their generations Hershel Walker. If they could only grasp it wasn't Bill who set them up for a crashing disappointment. It was a gaggle of football pundits and mediots looking to fill space.

    I'd have liked to have gotten A 1st for Cassel, but getting out from under his tag 48 hours into FA was worth a 2-3 slot discount... I had no idea Vrabel would go but if I had I wouldn't have expected compensation, more like veteran locker room backlash...so that part of the deal worked for me too. If Bill felt that step he'd lost wasn't going to return with a healthier shoulder, I can live without any more of his NFLPA whines in the run up to the uncapped season too... He gets the full final year of his deal and someone else pays for it. Win-win.
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    You don't pull any punches, do you? :D
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    I don't know much, but Cassel is goin from Moss to a young D.Bowe, lucky cat.
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    Hear, hear.....
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    Gone like McGinnis....
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    Do you mean in the sense that it was time to be gone.....
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    I was equally impressed with Chris's work...but that's only natural since he's a born and bred Patsfans.com original.

    I am equally unimpressed with Curran's hit piece mainly because from the start he's using a COMPLETE FALSEHOOD as THE underpinning of his attack, to wit, that TWO FIRSTS were gotten for Matt Schaub...uh...W-R-O-N-G...that would be two SECOND ROUND PICKS...thank you for the GIGO exercise Tommy...

    then there's this afternoon on EEI with "I AM the Mayor!!!!!" Butch Stearns....he's having HUGE problems with what the Patriots got in this deal...here's a 2nd rate talking radiohead, struggling to keep his mealy mouthed head above water, once again claiming HE speaks for all Patriot fans and blasting the organization for conducting THEIR business as they see fit. He may well represent the legion of scary little Marys that populate Patriot Fan Nation but as far as I'm concerned his opinions on the New England Patriot franchise are no more meaningful than a piece of used toilet paper.

    Yes, it IS very good to see a Chris Price making his bones in this morass of idiocy, and with his skill and intelligence he should go far.I ,for one, certainly hope so.
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    Yah, Vrabes and the rest of the Union multi-millionaires whining that Kraft needs to share Patriots Place revenues...it's not their net worths that were mortgaged at risk to finance PP whose success or failure is in doubt.

    I'm a big Vrabes football fan thankfull for his years of contributions and wish him well. Great family man too as I understand and respect if so. The player rep parroting NFPLA tripe I can do without.
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    I don't believe in conspiracy theories either. Good piece.
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    Perfect. the Patriots have compensation, money and the rest of the off season to execute their plan.

    They do not care what anyone thinks about what number pick they received, they got out and are loaded for bear.

    Love Vrabel and thanks. He and Bruschi are both outmoded, it's just a matter of who made more and leaving a mentor for the new linebacker corps. Two top talents acquired ( I predict) means the UDFAs compete for backup and Special teams as they should. Bruschi may or may not last the year.
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    Very well put. I agree wholeheartedly
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    On its own, the deal looks like a one-sided swap. But seen within the overall context of New England’s team-building approach, chances are very good that it will work out in the Patriots’ favor.

    I'm starting to develop theories that make this trade very acceptable and they all revolve around Vrabel. This one makes is perfectly okay.


    If they released him, then there was a chance that either the Browns, Dolphins, Jets, Cowboys and Broncos would be interested in him. This theory alone satisfies me. Frankly stated, I would rather the Pats give Mike Vrabel to a team than allow him to sign with the Brown (and Mangini) or the divisional foes Dolphins and Jets. If I had a second tier of teams I wouldn't want him to play for, the Cowboys and Broncos would probably be on it. For him to go to KC is neutral to me.
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    I think people tend to forget that Cassel essentially had veto power over any trade. Any team interested in him would only trade for him if they could sign him and he could easily tell them to beat it.

    The point is that while looking for a trading partner, they also had to do right by Cassel. Cassel likely had two preferences. KC with Pioli or Denver with McDaniels. The complication with Denver was that they'd need to find a trading partner for Cutler and BB probably didn't see that happening in the time frame he was looking for. In the end, maybe Denver and Tampa did make a proposal but it came after BB and Pioli had a verbal agreement. While a verbal agreement may not be technically binding, when it comes between to close friends it pretty much is.

    As for Vrabel, they probably told him he would be released and gave him the option of free agency or finishing out his current contract in KC. Since his current deal was more than he'd be able to receive as a free agent, he chose KC. It was a classy move.

    It boggles my mind why more people can't connect the dots when it comes to Belichick. They seem to misrepresent or misunderstand EVERYTHING he does.
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    The one thing that truly confuses me is, why the rush?

    I suppose Vrabes could have landed the wrong place, had he been cut. Eh. But if there was a trade possibly revolving around getting the Pats a 1 for Cassel, and it fell through (as we are postulating,) isn't it possible there would be other such offers over, oh let's say, a couple hundred more days???

    This is what makes me think there is some other shoe left to drop. I'll be wondering until draft day is over.

    PFnV
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    Hey everyone ... thanks for the support on the column. I got a bunch of e-mails this morning from people who KILLED me, saying this was a horrible deal, and I had no idea what I was talking about. Here's one, unedited:

    when have the patriots picked a decent 2nd rounder lately.do you guys even research be fore yoy open your traps. YOUR ARTICLE ,FOR LACK OF A BETER WORD, STUPID!!!!!

    don


    I then politely reminded Don that the Patriots had their share of second-round stinkers, but there was also Terrence Wheatley, Deion Branch and Matt Light, as well as second-round picks they turned into Wes Welker and Corey Dillon. That's what I've had to deal with this weekend.....

    The key for me is that people cannot look at this deal as an isolated incident. It's part of a larger approach. And when you figure in all the extra cash, more draft picks and the fact that it now appears they are confident that Brady is good to go, it's a good move.
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    Sure thats not the issue.. The issue is compensation.. we should have received more. maybe not the 3rd pick in the draft but definitely a #2 or 3 next year..

    Culpepper blown knee and all netted the Vikings a 2nd rounder.. Feeley, 2nd rouder.. Hell Schuab who had less playing time brought in two second rounders..

    Bottom line is Cheifs made out better.. Much better.. We added a early 2nd round pick, a round we have a history in failing with (lately)
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    I actually don't have a big problem with Cassel for the #34 (almost a 1st rounder).

    What confuses me is why they lumped Vrabel in with the trade. Some say we were going to cut him anyway and this prevents him from going somewhere we don't want him to. Perhaps, but if we were going to lump him in, we should have at least picked up a 5th rounder or something.

    The trade was bad in my opinion. I can understand why BB might of felt it was necessary, but we got the raw end of the deal from a pure value perspective. There's no rose tinted glasses that can change that.
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    So when did Stearns get promoted?
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    Well Branch and LIght are definitely the cream of the crop when it comes to 2nd round picks. And I have no issue with them trading draft picks for vet players (hoping we get lito Sheppard actually) but there have been more misses than hits. Wheatley is an unknown and it would be unfair to judge him.

    People should point out to you that other teams received 2nd round picks for Culpepper (with his blown out knee) and Feeley.. Both aren't even in the same league as Cassel.

    Here's the problem that might be right around the corner. If Denver trades cutler for anything better than a 2nd round pick, PEOPLE are going to blowup again over this trade..
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    Why is it a problem if people "blowup again over this trade"?

    What people do is their own perogative as long as Belichick continues to do his thing, which is winning football games with Brady.
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    BB is a great coach, no question about it.. BUt this is his 1st season without Pioli.. And basically his first transaction without him. I would say he's not starting out great. Especially if another qb, on the same level of Cassel (Cutler), nets your AFC rival more draft picks.
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    BB is a great coach, no question about it.. BUt this is his 1st season without Pioli.. And basically his first transaction without him. I would say he's not starting out great.

    LMAO....this is great comedy...unintentional, but great nonetheless
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    I'm going to laugh my ***** off in a few years when people review the draft and say we should have drafted player X.. And I'll say "if BB held off one day and made the trade with Denver and TB we'd have him".. Kinda like the jets still complaining about not getting Ed Reed..ehhehehehe..
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    well, you go ahead and wait...and while you're waiting, pick up Michael Holley's great read, Patriot Reign....could help to familiarize you with how the Patriots organization and specifically Bill Belichick actually operate

    and while you're at it...read up on the NFL draft value chart...the flexibility the Patriots have in this draft is EXCELLENT...they can move all the way to the 10th slot using their 1st 2 and the 23rd....just what players you're going to be laughing about seems ridiculous.
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    Read it..And thats the funny thing. The book is all about building a contender not for this year but for every year.. And maximizing your assets, such as players being versatile.

    And what i find amazing now that he (holley) has lost any inside info he used to have.. Especially with Michael Smith now working with ESPN..

    Listen do I know how the inner workings of the deal went down.. NO.. But i've done a lot of deals over my time, regarding assets, and on the surface the deal doesn't look all that good for the pats.. IMHO BB/pats did not maximize their asset (cassel)
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    This is why the Patriots are the best run franchise in sports. They trade a QB WHO WAS NOT GOING TO PLAY and a linebacker who they probably would have ended up releasing and in the process freed up 20 million and got a #34 pick, giving them 4 picks out of the first 58.
    Nobody got hosed in this deal. Both Belichick and Pioli know value. A great day for both teams.
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    Fine article by Chris ... as we've come to expect.

    Surprised that previous respondents haven't pointed out
    this key to understanding the entire transaction:


    Cassel didn't sign a long-term deal, fellas.

    KC bit that bullet.
    ONLY KC would bite that bullet.
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    Well, when I see guys like Bart Scott being signed for ALOT more $$ than was due Vrabel I will certainly be watching and comparing how he does out there in KC this year. Never mind stats, if he STARTS every game he is worth that salary. I dont have a problem with the Cassel trade, its the ushering out of Vrabel that bothers alot of people. That article has no facts either way and is a simple homer perspective.
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