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  1. PATSNUTme

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    #75 Jersey

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    To be fair, I've been saying this for a while. . . .
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    Actually I thought that we might get a 7th, maybe the last pick in the draft.

    But it's now official so a little drama never hurts.:D
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    What's BB going to do with a non-tradeable pick anyways?
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    CT - While you have been "saying this for awhile", it doesn't mean the Pats weren't hosed.

    Ben Watson was signed for $4 million a year. Look at Watson's production in Cleveland.

    68 Receptions - 763 Yards, 3 TDs.

    Alge Crumpler was signed for under $2 million a year. Compare that to Crumpler's production:

    6 Receptions - 52 Yards- 2 TDs

    How anyone can say that the two were comparable and off-setting is just lunacy.
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    #54 Jersey

    Goodell is still commissioner right?

    Yes?

    Oh...well then I'm not surprised.
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    I never said it was fair. All I've been saying is that the way the formula has historical been applied, the best they could hope for was a late comp 7.
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    Weren't they near the top for comp picks last year? Were you bashing Goodell then for giving the Patriots too many? The hypocrisy of some fans is amazing.
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    I bash Jetdell for his very existence....comp picks ain't got nothin' to do with it
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    you can't compare stats and contract money between a FA you lose and one you sign, because for comp picks you only get comp picks when you lose more FAs than you sign
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    yep lots of hypocrites

    every team's board has retards who bash goodell for "being against their team"

    bunch of morons lol
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    Largely, but not entirely, correct.

    Only certain UFAs count in the calculations. The short version is:

    * The player must not have been waived by his old team.
    * The player must sign a contract with his new team before a certain deadline, and must remain on the team for a certain length of time.
    * The player must sign a contract worth at least slightly more than the vet minimum.

    No team that has signed more qualifying FAs than it lost has ever gotten a comp pick.

    When teams lose more than they sign, they try to "cancel out" contracts as best they can (i.e., a player with a $1M contract will cancel out a $2M contract instead of a $6M contract). [The primary determinant of what round a pick is slotted in is the average annual value of the contract.]

    If a team loses as many as it signs, it may get a late comp 7 if the players lost are significantly better than the players signed.
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    #54 Jersey

    I bash Goodell at every opportunity. Nice try at the sanctimonious thing, though.
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    I don't get why you guys love him so much. He's the worst commish the NFL has ever had. Keep your head in the sand if you wish.
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    When did we ever say we loved him? Mindlessly bashing anything or anyone is simply stupid.
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    not as intergalactically stupid as ignoring the 4th sticky down right above these threads....
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    Nikolai:

    There are certainly lots of reasons to bash Goodell, but there is no grand conspiracy here. If you want to blame anyone, blame Jarvis Green and/or the Donkeys for his not making the opening day roster there.

    This is the flip side of the same set of rules that got the Patriots a comp 4 for Donte Stallworth even though they let him walk after just one year.
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    BB's indifference to the value of non-tradeable picks continues to puzzle me. :cool:

    [​IMG]
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    There is no hypocrisy. The Pats legitimately lost the players last year.

    It's amazing the kind of garbage people who know nothing on the topic throw out just to have themselves heard.
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    That's false. Buffalo has received comp picks in the past for losing the same amount that they signed, but there was a difference in the level of players.
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    Its no big deal.

    The Pats have enough picks this draft anyway.
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    The Patriots will get 1 or more 7th rounders before the draft is over via trades. The value of 7th rounders is greater this year with no UDFA's.

    No one has any idea when they may be able to add UDFA's to the roster. The longer they can't practice with mini camps and training camp, the less of a chance they will have making a roster.

    That is not fact just my opinion based on common sense.
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    Thanks for posting what factors go in to receiving a compensatory pick; there's a lot of misinformation out there on the topic.

    To me one part of the process that would seem to make sense to remove is the 'must remain with the new team for a certain amount of time' portion of the formula. Think of the word compensatory; the picks are compensation for losing a player via free agency - i.e., being out bid for that player. What happens after that should be for the most part irrelevant. Just because the player may become available again later on should not be a factor because by then the old team would have been forced to find another player, and pay him.

    I know this sounds like whining in regards to not getting a pick for losing Jarvis Green, but that was only borderline. A better example would be Tampa Bay losing Antonio Bryant to the Bengals, where he signed a $28 million contract with $8 million guaranteed. Because Bryant never played a down for Cincinnati the Bucs received nothing in return. In my opinion the $8 million that Bryant did receive should have been the biggest factor in the formula, rather than how many games he did or did not play. Once the player signs elsewhere anything else should be very minor in what that pick should be.

    In addition, the rule stating compensatory picks cannot be traded should be done away with; there's no need for that.
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    To be precise, it's not because he "never played a down," but because they waived him.

    I understand your point, although I'm not sure it would improve the system.
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    My bet would be on the 7th or 8th pick of the 7th round, both currently held by SF. The Niners got 2 compensatorys in the 7th round given them 4 picks in that round ( the last two not tradeable)
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    Well, my idea was that if compensatory picks are supposed to be compensation for free agents lost to another team, simply tie the comp pick formula to what each player the team lost was signed for/made his first year; then adjust similarly for each free agent the team gained that qualified (had played out his contract rather than being cut, and that was signed prior to July 1). In my opinion what does or does not happen later (pro bowl, being cut before the season starts) should have very little or no impact on the compensatory pick formula.
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    Bingo! Oh for the complete idiots who say this is not Goodell's fault, so? I bash him because I can. Deal with it.

    Hey jcdouchey,
    Yes, it was 100% fair him taking a first round draft pick for interpreting a rule so confusing it got superseded by a memo.
    Yes, it was 100% fair of him to suspend rapistburger when no court even arraigned him, let alone convicted him.
    Yes it was 100% fair for him to tell Peter King things people thought were in confidence because he was never told "off the record, commissioner."
    You actually need more examples of his being as stupid as you claim others are?

    Before you complain I called you a douche, you opened the door by calling everyone who hates Goodell a moron, so deal with yourself.
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    I agree, How many late rounders hit? Yes, there are examples like Tom Brady but for every 1 that hits there must be like 20 that are out of the league in a few years.

    Of course, what else can we talk about in March?:D
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    Not saying you're wrong or right, but I think there's a formula used for that. Does anyone have it?
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