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    NJ gov strongly defends lowering flags for Houston - Yahoo! News

    This is not really a big deal, but why is the world would they lower the flags for Whitney Houston?

    I thought this honor occurred only for members of the military, first responders and elected officials.

    The good news.... The cost should not hurt the tax payers.

    They didn't lower the flag in California for Michael Jackson.
    http://articles.latimes.com/2009/aug/07/local/me-michael-jackson-flag7

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    #12 Jersey

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    Joshua Weissman is the type of hero who should get this type of honor.

    Christie actually lowered the flag last year when Clarence Clemons passed
    away.

    He was not exactly a true American hero.
    Articles about Clarence Clemons - Los Angeles Times

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    It takes a special sort of arrogance to take offense at how others mourn their dead.
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    When the Govenor makes is public, the issue is no longer private.
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    It has nothing to do with public or private. Either you can comprehend the fact that this lady meant something to many millions of people or you can't.
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    As a person born in Jersey, I fully accept this. We tend to be the brunt of all jokes, so when one of our own is a success, we all win. When one dies...we all mourn.

    When Bon Jovi dies, the state will shut down for a year.

    When the Boss dies...New Jersey will be renamed to "Boss"



    Notice how the state went into a financial freefall when the Sopranos ended, only to be saved for a short time by the airing of Jersey Shore. Eventually Snooki will replace Chris Christie as Governor. You heard it here first.
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    I guess New Jersey must have a lower standard than most states.

    Most states only honor military, first responders and elected officials.
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    #75 Jersey

    I think that already occurred.
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    #12 Jersey

    I hardly see where anyone here is "taking offense."

    Finding something a bit strange hardly qualifies as arrogance.

    I do have to wonder how all the parents, spouses and children of deceased military vets from New Jersey might feel about it, tho.
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    I thought this was a bit much as well, seemed more like something a town would do than a state.

    I also don't care at all, and wouldn't even if I lived in NJ.

    (re Clemons, I get that just a bit more, since he was with Bruce and Bruce is so closely identified with NJ -- maybe Whitney was, too, though, and I don't know it because I'm not a fan)
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    Become famous, blow a hundred million dollars partying on booze and drugs until it kills you, they make an american hero out of you.

    What a great Role Model for young up and coming singers.

    May she rest in peace, she will miss a lot of good years, they who make their own bed must lie in it, where were her dear friends while she was killing herself, where was that women beating creep she married.
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    Good points- all of them.

    I just don't want the lowering of the flag for Whitney the first time I gave a crap about anything that happens in New Jersey except when the Pats or Bruins play there...or if I'm driving through it on the way to somewhere else.
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    Exactly. The only one who pulled her back was her mother. Her woman-beating ex-husband was supposedly the one who started her on drugs, namely cocaine.

    I'm not a celeb follower but there's actually a lot of controversy/speculation swirling around about her death-kind of interesting in a horrible sort of way.

    She had such a powerful voice and she was beautiful, what a tragic story. RIP Whitney. The flag? Well, that's how Jersey rolls I guess. And if a soldier's from Jersey, he/she probably understands lol.
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    #15 Jersey

    The lowering of the flag happens all the time. One day I asked a worker at Home Depot why the flag was lowered. He said two workers had passed. Schools lower their flags all the time, teachers or someone associated with the school. I remember back in high school when a long haired drug using senior died. (don't remember the reason for death). Some of his friends went to the principle and asked for the flag to be lowered and he refused. I do not think the lowering of the flag means a hero has died. I think it is a way of mourning a death. The question I guess is it paying tribute to that person. In the case of Whitney Huston I don't have a problem with it.
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    Lowerinbg the flag I don't think is a big deal anymore, didn't Uncle Teddy and a few more of those rotten bastards we have leading the country and making our laws say "It was alright to burn the flag and then stomp on it"

    I wonder if they'll lower the flag for Loretta Lynn the coal miners daughter..

    :singing:----"yea right harry"

    I feel sorry for Whitney, all that money and no "real friends" RIP (more will follow, thats show biz"
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    #12 Jersey

    Isn't lowering an individual school or work flag for a personal loss a bit different than ordering all the state government flags to be lowered, though?
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    #12 Jersey

    Answering my own question here as to when flags can be lowered.

    •Only the president of the United States or the governor of the state may order the flag to be at half-staff to honor the death of a national or state figure.

    •In addition to the traditional half-staff salutes when proclaimed by the President, the Flag Code mentions the use of our Flag for honoring citizens who have died, especially government officials and prominent citizens. However, the Flag Code does not exclude any citizen, whether they belong to an organization or not, whether they are recognized very locally or regionally. Examples of deceased citizens that might be honored with by lowering the Flag to half-staff include local religious leaders, youth leaders, honored teachers or sports coaches, local politicians, or a local hero.

    There need be no authorization from the government for the private sector (non-government) to use the Flag to honor any citizen. It is important to note that the Flag Code is a code, it is intended to provide guidance and is not obligatory. It carries no civil or criminal penalties for "misuse" of the Flag. Individual are not acting illegally when using the Flag according to their own usage. Only on government / public building is the flag code required to be followed.


    Read more: When to fly the flag at half staff (mast)
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    What about lowering the flag for Gary Carter ?

    Carter is a guy who seemed to have lived life the right way.
    He once said that he wished they could bring their wives on road
    trip, while others laughed.

    A guy like Gary Carter is the perfect role model for Children.
    If he had any skeletions, they were well hidden.
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    #12 Jersey

    I suppose we all have our own, based upon our personal definitions of success, idea of what renders a person worthy of honoring. To some, it's going to be power, to some, it's going to be wealth, to some, it's going to be service to others, to some it's going to be an act of heroism or bravery and to some it's going to be high moral character.

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