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  1. mgcolby

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    Another reason I hate liberals and the more they take over the democratic party the more of a joke that party becomes.

    In a time when they could be on the verge of seizing the politcal tide they always seem to do something that is so out of touch with the middle of the road American that they shoot themselves in the foot.

    For all of the democrats and liberals this is the sh!t that cost you elections!
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    mgcolby, there is nothing in your post that suggests liberals are trying to ban free speech. They have not called for her books to be removed from libraries, as religious Christians often do. They have called for legislation to stop her book; they are simply using their freedom of speech to try to get the public to reject her book in the marketplace. This is sort like what the right is trying to do to the Dixie Chicks, but of course with your bias you don't bother to mention that.
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    They are trying to influence book stores to not carry a book they disagree with. It is one thing for a christian group to demand something it is another for elected officials to do so.

    You are right I misread it the first time.

    A more appropriate title...agreed Patters?
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    #24 Jersey

    They have no business being involved in this. Our governement is way too big and thinks it has to legislate everything.
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    Yea just look at Bush's Baby, Homeland Security... way too big, way too bloated, waste way too much money and way too much power.
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    #24 Jersey

    I would like to get rid of everything except for protecting the country from outside nations. All the other stuff, including homeland security, should be done by the states. Get rid of most of our federal taxes, replaced by state taxes by people who know what they need. I don't want to pay for stuff in, say, Kansas and they shouldn't pay for my stuff in CA.
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    I yield to no one in my low opinion of Ann Coulter. However, James Sverapa IV does not represent me or any liberals I know. Let her publish, let her books be sold everywhere and anywhere, let the world judge her.
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    You could certainly say they called for a boycott, and I don't see what's wrong with that. We have a free society, which means that Coulter can say whatever she wants, but one effective response is to boycott her book. I see nothing wrong with an elected official calling for a boycott. McCain called for a boycott of the G8 meeting in Russia. I believe a number of politicians urged people not to go see Fahrenheit 9/11. It's a perfectly legitimate act, especially since people are still free to buy her book.
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    I think one would differentiate between a private group calling for a boycott which is fine, however a goverment offical with regulatory authority to do so is a different a matter.
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    What's that supposed to mean? I don't see any problem with a government official calling for a boycott. Politicians with regulatory authority often call for investigations, participate in rallies, and so all sorts of political activity. I would see nothing wrong with a politician calling for censorship or even threatening a publisher for printing something unwanted -- I would oppose that politician, liberal or conservative, but there's nothing wrong with a politician being political. How many times have politicians called for public schools not to carry books that a favorable to gay families? I disagree with them, but they certainly have the right, indeed the obligation, to speak their mind. At the same time, their opponents have a equal right to fight back. It's called freedom.
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    Goverment officals can harass and punish business's who don't follow their wishes. Business are generally afradi of tangling with gov officals. This type of pressure can be construed as censorship. In the case the 'request' was issued by this person in her role as a goverment offical (and a high ranking one at that), not as a private citizen.

    How bout if John Ashcroft has issued a realease from his ofice while a Senator recommending boycott of a book promoting a gay political agenda because it offended his Christian sensibilities?

    I would not be happy, How about You?
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    #37 Jersey

    :confused:
    So what you are saying is her book is like your posts?
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    Of course, I wouldn't be happy, but that's how it is, and most book burning and book bannings are instigated by the right wing, I would wager.

    Browse through this:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banned_books

    Check this out:
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/26/eveningnews/main691106.shtml

    I 99% oppose censorship (other than, e.g., child pornography or instructions for building WMDs), and I believe very few book stores (which are usually run be liberals, I suspect) will heed the call to ban Coulter's book, and if they do, it's not because of some politician.

    I'd be concerned if legislation was introduced to ban a book, though I trust our Constitution to protect us against such legislation. There is nothing wrong with a politician calling for a boycott, since it will be met by an equal reaction. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Coulter's book sells better because of all the attention the Democrats are giving it.
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    Well I certainly wouldn't support the Ala bill as it is being reported. For example I wouldn't have the same objection to Coulter's book being kept out of Jr High library, as opposed to the 'adult section of the public library. I don't think we disagree on this issue really. I have the opinion that there is about the same ant of speech supression by the pc left as their is by the religious right.
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    The fact that anyone in a govt office would call for a book banning just because they dont agree with it..well it sure has shades of Naziism all over it...i wonder why NEM didnt point that out?
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    Uh..NEM, where did I ever say that i agreed with Ann Coulter on this issue?
    Answer: NEVER. I do not agree with what she says..But those f-in Dems in New Jersey have absolutely NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER to "ask" people not to buy her book. That is crossing the line. She would have every right to turn around and file a class action lawsuit against the state of New Jersey for Slander. Can you imagine what would have happened if a Texas lawmaker came out and told the citizens of Texas NOT to buy Clintons book because its full of lies? Get it straight NEM--I hate Clinton and I hate Franken, and I hate Madeline halfbright...and to my knowledge, no one in the govt has told thier citizens not to buy thier books, Why?
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    How many times can you be wrong is Tipper Gore not a democrat? If I recall she wanted to censor everything. C'mon Nem you need to think just a little before you respond with an emotion filled opinion.
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    #24 Jersey

    I know but it led me to a pet peave of mine, that the governement is way too big.

    I haven't read the book but what I've heard doesn't sound slanderous.
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    Tipper didn't censor anything. She led the effort to put warnings on CDs that contain explicit lyrics. You know, mgcolby, you can't have it both ways. Here you guys are up in arms about what the Congresspeople said, yet meanwhile the righties are among the first to blast the ACLU for protecting the freedom of speech of various unpopular groups. Book burning and book banning have been the domain of conservatives for many decades. While Democrats may call for protests and boycotts, they do not ignore the Constitution on this issue and call for outright banning of free speech.

    Where was the indignance of the right when Howard Stern and CBS got big fines for provocative talk on the radio? Where was your indignance when the Republicans went berserk after Janet Jackson exposed her breast? Like many conservatives, you only have indignance when it suits you. Those members of Congress did absolutely nothing wrong by exercising their freedom of speech. In fact, if anything, it's their job to speack up. If you don't like what they have to say, don't vote for them, but don't deny them the right to speak.
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    Just off the top of my head..Didnt John Kerry threaten to sue ANY TV network that aired the Swiftboat vets ads showing Kerry to be a boldfaced liar?

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