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    #1 Pat Kirwan maybe the worst Analyst in TV History #2 he only had 3-4 OLB's on that list there is maybe 10 teams running a 3-4 in the NFL so he ranks 13 out of 20 thats realy not that high when you think about it lol
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    Ninkovich doesn't get the credit he deserves in my book - but I also expect that Belichick would love to find someone better than him.

    So I don't get too high or too low on rankings - he's in the middle of the pack in the rankings and if the season started tomorrow he'd be adequate.

    Reche Caldwell was also pushed into a starting role given the nature of the roster that year - statswise many felt he was more than adequate, leading the team in receptions that year.

    One year later not only couldn't he make the Patriots roster, he couldn't really make ANY roster in the league.

    I'm not saying that's the case with Ninkovich - though for guys who "get" Belichick's system, they often do better here than elsewhere. I'm just saying that if Belichick can improve at OLB, he will - and likely Ninkovich will continue to provide quality downs for the team.
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    I kind of find it hard to believe Ninko is a top OLB. He only had 4 sacks and he isn't exactly being triple teamed. Don't get me wrong I like Ninko he's a solid player.
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    According to PFF, he only rushed 172 times, which is less than 1/3 as many times as guys like Tamba Hali, Clay Matthews, and Dwight Freeney. Ninko had 29.6% as many sacks as Matthews in 30.8% as many pass rushing snaps. That's a pretty negligible difference.
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    That's a great point Sciz. Well said.
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    Yes, I agree. No matter what happens, Ninkovich is a nice part of the team puzzle on defense. He plays with all his heart and works hard. He thinks and reacts pretty well, and doesn't tend to keep repeating mistakes. That, and he keeps his mouth shut, and does his job. I don't know if he'll be starting or not, but either way, this team has good use for guys like Rob Ninkovich.

    I look forward to seeing him continue to develop.
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    People can say what they want about NINK's pass rushing but the previously mentioned stats are interesting to see and i won't forget that basically he and chung singlehandedly won that first dolphins game with his 2 int's and a sack, specially when it was close in the 1st half.
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    A very important game, no doubt. IMO, it was when the 'team' concept really took shape last yr, which also led to the decision to part w/ Moss. That game in Miami COULD have been one of those games that we would've talked about a long way down the road, had they not lost that way in the playoffs. Either way, it will still the catalyst to a very successful season, in my opinion.
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    Well ****..we should make Ninko an every down rusher and let's see him dominate games like Matthews or any other top rusher he compares favorably to. It seems we have been just holding a leash on this monster.

    Our problems are solved.
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    Or it means that BB doesn't think Ninko is a good pass rusher so he doesn't rush him that frequently; he only rushed him in situations which were ideal for Ninko and it's hard to imagine that Ninko would have the same sack rate if he rushed the passer 3-400 more times.
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    Exactly..BB puts his players in position to succeed.....maybe with another year under his belt in this D, BB lets him rush a bit more...Ninko isn't spectacular, but he gets the job done most of the time....

    There's a reason BB didn't draft an OLB this past April.....and it's not because he didn't have the ammo or wasn't in position to grab one....
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    I think the biggest reason BB didn't draft another OLB is cuz he drafted a very good one last year. Cunningham doesn't have a real weakness at OLB, he seems to be able to do it all pretty well, and really seemed to excel at setting the edge. Considering how well he did as a rookie as an OBL in a BB 3-4, the kid will probably be a stud.
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    Yea, like the way Mathews dominated the Pats (or the Steelers)
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    ...14 sacks, NFC defensive player of the year,best player on top 3 D in the league,huge forced fumble,superbowl champ,just turned 25. Yeah,like that would be fine by me.
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    I think Ninkovich is a better player than people give him credit for, but I think Kirwan and PFF are laughable in this regard. Well, I think PFF is always laughable. Ninkovich is not a top 15 outside pass rusher.

    I think Ninkovich can be a pretty good role player, but I don't know if he is starter quality. I also don't know if you can expect him to even be a top tier situational pass rusher.
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    I think that is great, he is a good#2 and excellent #3 OLB the problem is the Patriots have no #1.

    As for Kirwan, he is very good, one of the best writers with extensive league contacts.
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    That's why they hope Cunningham has a year 2 improvement to be their #1 OLB.....

    Having TBC as the OLB opposite Jermaine is still a head scratcher...maybe a FA signing is in the future?
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    Since he's lower in these dumb rankings, the "I always knew""underrated" bs comes out. If he was higher he would be called a bum, which has been the overwhelming opinion on him.
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    If Clay Matthews only rushed 172 times, in situations that were ideal for pass rushing, he would have a whole lot more than 4 sacks. I like Ninkovich, and think he can fill a valuable role on the team, but let's not get carried away. Ideally, he's your #3, maybe even #4 OLB
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    I wonder how much PFF is paying people to pimp its website on forums like this.
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    Ninkovich is a nice little player.
    We don't point out how he got blown up or was way out of place.
    I also don't think a lot of teams gameplan around him, like you have to do with some of the elite rushers. You don't adjust your offense to a three-step drop, or keep multiple blockers in to deal with him.

    The question on Cunningham, Ninkovich, and TBC:
    There are some different roles for OLB's. Cunningham really is the more classic edge-setter, SOLB.
    It was terrific when the Patriots had McGinest and Vrabel, two guys who could do everything.
    Goodness, remember 2003 & 2004 when the roster included Colvin, Vrabel, McGinest, and TBC? (And Bruschi, Phifer, and Johnson inside.)
    The Patriots really need a complement to Cunningham (like Ted Johnson complemented Roman Phifer). Versatility is great, and the defense really depends upon two OLB's who can set the edge, cover, and rush. They lack strong coverage and rushing, so could use someone more explosive than Cunningham. That's not Ninkovich. Ninkovich is the guy who can sub for any spot.

    That's sort of what I see Roth as as well. The guy who can do a bit of everything. They could use someone who complements those guys. That's why I would be more excited by Manny Lawson or Charles Johnson, given the presence of Cunningham and Ninkovich.
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    I hate them as much as anyone here, but I'm hoping their "pass rushing snaps" stat is fairly accurate :lol2:
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    One problem with the PFF formula, among several, is that it doesn't bother taking the number of rushing defenders into account. The Patriots were absolutely brutal in attempting to get to the QB with 3-4 players, and were forced to blitz in order to get pressure. That changes the pass rushing dynamics.
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    Dumb question, but I'll ask it anyway because I'm dumb..

    What constitutes a pass rushing snap?


    Down and distance or number of players sent after the QB...

    or something else?

    :confused:
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    It's just a snap where Ninkovich rushed the QB
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    That was too easy :p
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    He was certainly better than Mike Vrabel last season and I'm glad that thanks to that no one's been calling for the Pats to bring Vrabel back.
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    genius... there are 2 OLB's on the field at once:cool:



    13 out of 40 by your equation:rocker:


    you r a hater
    that does not know Math:p
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