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Nick Saban: I'm not buying the hype.

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  1. National Sports Advisors

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    When this guy wins his first BIG game against a BIG TIME opponent, please do let me know. I mean, I'm sorry, but I'm sick of hearing what a system and roster this guy is building down in Miami. Is this the same guy that has decided to build around Daunte Culpepper instead of Drew Brees? The guy is now 9-8 in his brief 2 year NFL career and hasn't done a damn thing that garners all the attention and lofty predictions that his team and him have been getting. That team is nothing more than a soft-schedule 10-6 or solid 9-7 team. Period. I'm not buying the hype on this guy.
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    And he has a wimpy replay flag throw.

    R
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    Oh come on, you guys are acting like common trolls. Saban is a very good coach. I absolutely believe the hype. Not throwing the flag in time for someone to actually SEE it is pretty much NO indication of how good a coach he is. That's a real stretch.
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    I tend to agree. He is not the best coach in the NFL or even close to that yet, but this is a learning experience for him. Look at BB and the Browns. These things take time.
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    dont buy the hype, buy a damn bowflex... that was a pathetic throw.
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    If saban didnt have the BB connection, he would not be this hyped. Jim Mora jr. went to the NFCG his first year, no one was calling him a genius.
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    not to mention, the pats threw a game to him last year.
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    Can anyone see BB pull out the flag, hold it out, take a step hesitantly, drop his arm and raise it again twice, and then lamely waft it 5 feet ?

    Has anyone ever seen BB be hesitant and waffling about any decision ?

    When I saw that weak performance, it was like Herm Edwards never left the Division.

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    Nick's flick made Dolphin fans sick.

    Ick!!
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    I buy the hype. One game does not a season make. Miami will come back. For chrissake, they started 3-7 last year. I saw some good things from Culpepper as a "game manager". When he was forced to chuck it around he made the usual mistakes. Saban learned an important lesson in this game: Ronnie BRown is his best player, and Culpepper needs to be brought along slowly till he regains confidence in his game and his knee. Of more concern to Miami is their soft secondary. I expected this due to its youth and all the changes. They won't gel till mid season. But to restate, Saban is one heck of coach and it's way to early to gloat.
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    why is saban such a good coach?
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    Saban is a good coach, even maybe a very good one. Let's not go oveboard and place him among the best until he proves his worth.

    His name certainly doesn't yet merit mention among Belichick, Parcells, Cowher, Fox, Reid or Dungy. Those are all prove coaches who win year in and year out.

    As far as I'm concerned, Saban is in that Lovie Smith/Marvin Lewis group. Respected, high potential coaches from good systems, but unproven commodities.
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    The announcers suggested Saban needs a "designated flag thrower".
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    You know what, I can't wait until Saban has to throw that flag again. I bet he rifles it into the refs ear hole. :p
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    My prediction on Miami was another 9-7 year, with some great wins and some inexplicable losses. Saban still needs a year of seasoning to get his NFL legs under him, but I believe he will. Saban is a good coach because, beyond being a megalomaniac, he can motivate, instruct, spot talent, and organize at a very high level.

    Another note: I thought the Miami LBers were very shoddy in this game. I saw nothing from Crowder, who has been getting rave reviews. Also, Polamalu tackled terribly. IMO a very overrated player. Will make the big play on occasion, but tackles poorly and gives up big plays too.
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    The one thing I'll say about Saban is that his brains seem a little scrambled sometimes. About three or four times a game he gets that Looney Tunes deal going, the one where his head turns bright red and it looks like his forehead is going to blow like a steam engine whistle. When Lehan had that hands-to-face penalty he completely flipped his gourd. I'm not saying a coach can't be intense, but when he gets mad, he looks insane, like he wants to go stick a knife in a telephone pole. Coupled with reports that some players think he's nuts, I'm beginning to wonder if he has what it takes to handle the pressure of being an NFL head coach. Not everyone does.
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    It seems like so many people here just listen to the talking heads, and reguritate what they hear, because I don't know what the heck else some of you could be basing your opinions on. What exactly has Saban done to prove he's a good NFL coach yet? Aside from damn near going apoplectic on the sideline screaming at one of his players in a manner that would embarrass even Mike Ditka, he hasn't shown me much. A fraudulent winning streak, followed by opening the next season being outcoached by the neanderthal himself, Coach Chin? Like people have been saying, it's early. Too early to call him a bust? It's too early to call him a good coach, too. Three seasons minimum to gauge that, in my mind.
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    yeah but .... it's fun :D

    but I doubt Culpepper will magically transform. Still think under pressure
    he will flop most of the time.
    I'd sure like to know what Saban was thinking when he got Culpepper.
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    All i am gonna remember of Saban is that wussy flag throw. Be a man Nick. Throw it at the damn Ref.
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    Saban = good coach, not great but good.

    Culpepper= bad QB
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    no he did not at all. that comment was directed at john madden if he were coaching now. dont pull stuff out of context.
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    That line is going to make me laugh for days!!!:rofl:
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    Yeah, I really don't understand why Saban was immediately labled as a great coach before he even coached a game in the NFL. There is no evidence that he has drafted well yet. I mean, Ronnie Brown hasn't done much in the league and he may well be a little overrated. I think Saban was considered to be a great coach because of what he did at LSU. Just because someone is a good college coach, doesn't mean they're a good NFL coach and vice-versa. College football is a total different game and coaches require a completely different skill set. Spurrier couldn't cut it in the NFL, Switzer won a superbowl, but that wasn't his doing. And Callahan at Nebraska had a bad first season, whereas Pete Carrol has build a dynasty. Just because Saban had a very successful college career doesn't mean he should be labled as a good NFL coach.
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    Remember Herm's 'designated' clock watcher ?

    It's tough for a coach to look 'personally' like a fool coaching a football game, but Nick was able to pull it off.

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    Some guys, for whatever reason, get their backsides kissed before they ever do a damn thing in the pros to deserve it. Steve Spurrier was suppossed to be the next big thing and look what happened. Everybody was saying it his first couple of years until he left with his tail between his legs. I'm not saying Saban will be that bad, but he sure as hell has not proven a damn thing to me yet that he is this sure-fire 100% championship caliber coach. Not only is Culpepper not the guy you build around, but picking Ronnie Brown #3 was definitely not smart. The guy will never be a franchise back, mark my words. You don't take RB's #3 unless they are without a doubt ALL-PRO material. Brown split action his whole college career and shows no signs of being an ALL-PRO in the NFL. Solid, possibly borderline pro-bowl material, but definitely not #3 draft pick worth. Saban simply has not impressed me that much compared to the hype he constantly gets. Period.
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    brown is a very good football player. the oline is not his fault.
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    Brown is a very good player. Problem is he is definintely not GREAT. And when you take a RB at #3 in the draft you had better believe he better be great. .
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    Well, I don't think you could predict that he isn't a very good coach at this point. BUT, I really am puzzled as to why it is possible at all to call him a VERY GOOD coach at this point. Don't we need to see how he does for a few seasons first ? His realistically 8-8 record last year (he CAN'T get credit for the Pats win) was with a team that was put together for the most part before he got there.

    So now we begin to see what kind of a relationship he has with his players after just one year. Does he build more buy-in and effort from his team or does he, like some coaches, start 'losing' the players - we just can't know this yet but there are some hints that this is not a done deal for him.

    How well can he win this year wihout two good backs ? How well can he win with some key players getting older ?

    How well will his free agent pick ups work out compared to his losses ?

    He basically tied his success on picking Dante Culpepper. School is really out on whether his judgment in this case and other key such cases will get him wins or an erratic W-L record.

    How well did he draft over a couple seasons ? We begin to get an idea about that this year but we can't know at this point.

    He has a pretty favorable schedule this year. So even a solid record is less indicative that what his team can do against the stronger teams. The first data point on that isn't encouraging.

    But that's an awful lot of unknowns to be so sure right now that he is a VERY GOOD coach.
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    I disagree. I like what I see from Brown. I thought they should have taken Merriman at the time, but Brown appears tough, durable, can block, catch, breaks numerous tackles, and is a good teammate. I think Brown is a bell-cow back. One game does not a season make. I expect the Steelers to end up 8-8 by the way (see Pats, 2002).
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    Alex Smith went #1 overall? It was a terrible draft year.

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