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    Link: NFL tells teams to expect replacement refs Week 1 - NFL.com

    Sorry if this was already posted, every though we probably figured this was the case.
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    This is going to end up costing a team, or team's a play-off spot. Pretty disgraceful on the part of the NFL.
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    I've watched quite a few games and they are definitely getting better. I would argue some of the games felt more like football should be played. They seemed consistent and actually let the secondary actually play. As long as they are consistent, I don't think I care if the old refs never come back.
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    I have to say the one positive is that the replacement refs have been less inclined to call phantom and ticky tack calls. That said, they have missed a lot of calls that were obvious, but so did the real refs.
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    I agree with you. Honestly, I haven't noticed an unusual number of botched calls, not so much more than the actual refs at least to make a difference. Most of where I've noticed these refs look like rookies is in procedural things, spoken mistakes on calls, and just generally being slow as hell. Things that are annoying now, but should improve as they get into the swing of things.
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    The NFL made them a pretty fair offer......good enough for them to come back.....but really.....crappy calls were made by the real refs and the replacements.....t biggest negative to me us they are slower to get the game going again.....and ths could impact the Pats in the hurry up Offense....other than that....couldn't care less.
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    The replacement refs have been horrible, and they'll only get worse once players are going at 100%.
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    I disagree. Like anything in life, they'll get better at it the more they do it and get used to the pro game (and shake off some of the nerves).
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    They haven't been able to keep pace with backups in exhibition games. If we're lucky, nobody will get killed or permanently injured because of the incompetence of these clowns.
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    I think you're exaggerating the physical dangers of having replacement refs, but something tells me this is an issue we're just not going to see eye to eye on. We disagree and I think we should leave it at that before it goes any further.
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    a competent commissioner would have NEVER allowed this to become an issue...it is hideous..and an embarrassment for all involved.
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    Anyone still want to pretend that these replacements are anywhere near competent?
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    they just aired a segment from tonight's
    game on NFL Tonight....even though I saw it live, the second time around it was far more enraging...if you get a chance , watch it....that was out and out bush league ridiculous...I mean, I've seen a lot of football on all levels, hell, I even watched the XFL games (I know...I know) for a season...I have NEVER seen organized ineptness like this dog and pony show this preseason...not ever
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    Sadly, the touchback call (Bills/Redskins) was even worse.
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    Last night's game was terrible with the whole "illegal shift on the kicking team"... oh wait, correction..." geez.
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    You guys do realize that NFL did this to kick negotiations into gear. Since the memo went out, both sides have agreed to meet to negotiate. I expect a deal to be done before the start of the season.
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    That was horrible last night, how long did we wait for such a simple call to get worked out? Think of the momentum changes that could occur because the refs can't get their act together.
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    I think Pete Prisco, who can be an ass but doesn't pull his punches, had the quote of the lockout. Put the regular season refs on the field with these crews and no one would notice any difference. The media has worked this up into a frenzy of criticism. They will do that to drive a compelling story line. And it remains chic to oppose the billionaire owners. Few fans were happy with the regulars. Ed Hoculi who is suddenly revered again in NFL reffing circles, had become a goat for his gaffs. Increasingly officials were impacting games with phantom calls and swallowed whistles and inconsistent inforcement to the point many of the current critics of their replacements were convinced the fix was in.

    Same guys who won the CBA negotiation will eventually prevail here. The only difference is in the interim fans who criticize the officiating will find they have some strange allies who will evaporate once the expensive guys who also sucked return and revert to telling those fans and coaches who disagree with them they just don't understand the rules and are whining because their team lost.
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    How quickly some of you forget some of the stunning gaffs in recent memory, including in playoff games. Hell, including in Superbowls. Really is the what have you done to me lately league where officials are concerned.
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    This times 1000

    Anyone else remember the blown call at the end of the Cincy game a couple years ago that forced both teams BACK on the field?

    Anyone else remember seeing Kevin Faulk actually get 3 yards on 4th & 2 only to have the refs claim he didn't make it, when camera angles clearly showed he did. Cost us a game against the Colts and a SB appearance.

    Anyone else remember us losing a SB in '07 because the refs refused, absolutely REFUSED to blow the whistle with Manning "in the grasp" which should have been a sack?

    I remember. Vividly. Angrily.

    So don't go on ranting about replacement refs. I'd rather have these than face what I consider to be the Commissioner's hired guns who have the very real potential to influence a game on purpose.

    And yeah: I said that and I mean that. I don't trust the "professional" refs as far as I can throw any of them. After seeing what happened in basketball with a ref throwing games, I have no doubt it has happened in the NFL, and will happen again.
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    I think replacement refs are worse than the real ones, but I don't think they are nearly as bad as people are making them out to be and not that much worse than the real ones. I read all these articles pointing out mistakes by the replacements and I think to myself that we were pointing out similar mistakes by the real refs last year.

    And I pointed out earlier, the replacement refs have been keeping their flags in their pockets and airing on the side of caution with penalties. I would rather have that happen and have them miss a hold or PI rather than what the real refs do by giving a 40 yard penalty on a ticky-tack or phantom PI call. In that way, the replacement refs are better than the real ones. It may be the only way.
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    All things being equal, I'd rather have them back, but what's with the lionization of the "regular" officials all of a sudden? As I recall, and as others in this thread have observed, they've made some pretty bad season- and game-changing blunders in recent years.

    Except for a couple of "amateur hour" moments like turning to the wrong side of the field to make a call, what have these guys done that is worse in comparison? Not what mistakes have they made, but what have they done that is worse than costing a team a Divisional game or shot at a Playoff spot?

    As far as I can see, most of their mistakes can be chalked up to nervousness over being on a bigger stage (just imagine you're a ref who's worked for decades in East Bum**** and all of a sudden the two HC's are Belichick and Coughlin with five Lombardi's between them).

    I think it's just as fair to argue that they will improve week by week as they will get worse when the season goes "live."

    As I said in my first sentence, I'd rather have the regular guys back but let's be real about the situation.

    PS: Who knows, one of them might actually have called Eli "in the grasp" in SB XLII or seen that Sugar Bear didn't rough The Snake...
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    I'll happily take all the delays, indecisiveness, and poor communication the replacements have brought with them over the slew of phantom calls that the old crews seemed incapable of not calling. If anything the replacements have lowered my opinion of the regulars as it's clear now that the phantom calls aren't inevitable, but most likely the result of looking for something and finding an excuse to call it.

    Put me on the "If the media treated the regulars like the replacement they'd be just as big of a joke." team. People act like the regs never slowed the game down or mis-announced the call, but they did quite regularly and called things that simply didn't exist on top of it. Calling illegal hands to the face a facemask isn't going to change the outcome of the game; calling faceguarding most certainly can...
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    It's amazing how many people think face guarding is illegal in the NFL like it is in college...because it isn't.

    The real issue I have with it is so murky...because when you face guard you're almost always making contact and can be easily called for PI.

    As for my opinions on these replacements, I've said it a million times...how much worse are they really? Not much at all. They might take a while to work out how to enforce a penalty or whatever, but I'd sooner see that and see them getting it right than them making outright howler. As mentioned already as well, they've been keeping their flags in their pockets so whilst you could argue their little conferences halt momentum, how many times has BS officiating and phantom calls halted momentum in the past? More times than I care to count.
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    No they didn't. NFL wants to force them to become full time employees when most of them already have full time jobs. The NFL is a billion dollar business, they should pay them more money if they're required to give up their full time income for part time wages. Note that a ref's "part time" salary is by no means paltry but some of the refs works as attorneys or in other high income professions. They can't have it both ways.

    Does anyone doubt that the tolerance of replacement refs (who've had a whopping 4 pre season games of pro experience) will instatntly evaporate on this board as soon as an amatuerish bad call costs the Pats a win.
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    But the "Professional" refs have cost teams wins too. It happens.

    The "Professional" refs need to decide which is more important to them: A career as a ref or a part time job as a ref. People in all walks of life face these decisions every day. Companies change their employment policies, shake up staffs, move, whatever.

    The NFL wants full time refs, so these guys now need to make a choice. I see no problem with that. It's the NFL's right to decide how they will structure their business, and not the employee's.

    Considering the wages being offered, and the benefits package to support it, I have absolutely no sympathy for the holdout refs. Too many people are unemployed right now. These refs need to understand the image they are creating for themselves as over-paid swells who are in danger of losing ALL support from the fans, many of whom can't afford the cost of a ticket these days.

    Either suck it up and get back to work, or concentrate on your non-football career and leave the reffing to folks who appreciate the opportunity to work.
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    I'll disagree with you on the bumbling, indecisive communication. If the refs are going to make calls (which sometimes are crap, especially if it goes against your team), I'd rather they do it with some confidence and alacrity instead of the inconsistent, faltering way it's been done a few notable times in pre-season.

    I think that if we were given a blinded study of whether a particular game officiated by guys in ski masks was done by these replacement refs or the old ones, few would be able to tell the difference. Every potentially game changing call will have some controversy surrounding it.
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    Unbelievable. The NFL makes how much and we are going to have these jokes out there?

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