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NFL refuses to Cave in to Refs' Union Despite Green Bay -Seattle Debacle

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    Packers-Seahawks controversy not pushing NFL to make deal with regular refs - Peter King - SI.com

    Best article I read so far as to what is happening. It seems like the NFL wants to wrest some control from the referees - more referee crews with the ability to replace the underperforming ones mid-season. The refs want to be guaranteed to work 15 games per season, not including injury. In all honesty, if the league got its way, it would ultimately lead to a better product as there are some average referee crews out there like Ron Winters' group.

    This is not going to end any time soon.
     
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    The Ravens "FG" was a worse call than the TD, so why is it not getting more attention?
     
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    because it was borderline. the jennings' interception was not.

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    No, it wasn't.
     
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    Jerry Jones said he went to bed early and didn't hear anything about any kind of controversy today. That is such a big lie it is funny. I think the guys on 98.5 had it right - wait until a big time owner gets hosed - Allen (SEA), Kraft, Jones, Snyder - one of them loses a close game when they are fighting for a playoff seed and things may begin to change.
     
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    Packers call was worse but, I don't trust the refs even know the correct ruling on field goals. Can't convince me that ball is inside the right upright....would suck if they end up having to play in Baltimore in the playoffs because of this.
     
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    The ball wasn't inside the upright. The ball would have hit the upright. What would have happened from there is anyone's guess. It may have been good, it may not have been. Either way, this is another failure of the process.
     
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    the FG call in our game was a call the regular refs may have (50-50) missed it to. Walk under a goal post and look straight up. Now imagine a ball kick coming at an angle high above even the upper limit of the post. Impossible to tell.
     
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    Doesn't matter, rule is it HAS to be inside when it flies over. Crazy you can't review that...
     
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    someone said on TV there is no such thing as a collision in space above the post, so it is supposed to be called good. Probably for the reason you cite. Don't know if it is true - just repeating what I heard, but it is akin to giving the tie to the baserunner in baseball.
     
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    It has to be inside the outside edge of the upright; it looked enough like it to me that I can't get too worked up over it.

    As far as the OP, I really think those issues are red herrings. If the NFL gave the union the retirement benefit they want, they'd accept all the side demands.
     
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    Please anybody feel free to correct me if I am wrong but I think the actual rule is that a field goal attempt that is above one of the posts is considered good in the NFL if in fact the ball is seen by the official in his judgement to have crossed through the imaginary line drawn from the top of the post. It does not have to cross inside the imaginary line above the post. The rule apparently favoring the kicker in its bias because in reality if the kick were lower and hit the post it could in fact hit the post and then go through between the uprights. It is not a given that a kick that is lower would hit the post and then bounce away instead of through the uprights. I am sure we have all seen kicks that have in fact hit one of the posts and then continued through the uprights.
     
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    I'm not particularly fussed about the rule itself, I'm more concerned with the process. Why isn't that available to be reviewed and why isn't technology being employed as an officiating aide to help determine questionable calls? The simple solution would be to extend the height of the goal posts as suggested elsewhere. Unfortunately, the world doesn't appear to like simple solutions.

    Regarding the FG, it doesn't bother me that it was called good. The Patriots had their chances to win that game and failed every time.
     
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    They can't even agree to the expense of having goal-line cameras in the endzones to give a good view of whether the ball breaks the plane on a TD. For this they'd need to set up two cameras with synched timecodes, so that the ball's horizontal position can be determined at the exact moment that it crosses the goal's plane. In both end zones, in all 31 stadiums. Not in our lifetimes.
     
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    Big-chested posturing before the cave-in, we should hope.
    Aside: Damn this new laptop!
     
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    i wouldn't cave to those piece of **** refs either

    people act like the real refs are better but they make bad calls ON PURPOSE

    if anyone's gambling on outcomes, it's the real refs
     
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    I have to admit that the farther this has gone, the more depressed I have gotten. Where do we turn anymore. MLB is a mess, its CBA having created entitled players that play up to their first big long term "guaranteed" contract and then coast for the rest of their careers, secure at that point for life. The NBA is a joke. The NHL was handed a national TV contract is did not deserve, a golden opportunity to finally springboard the NHL possibly into a national and international standing that it could only dream about in years past and promptly go into their third CBA negotiation including lockout in what now....I think nine years????

    The NFL made me feel like they were at least trying. Sure it took Bob Kraft to step in and provide a visage that the players could trust and that got their CBA done. But they did not miss regular season games and such.

    Now this replacement refs thing has unfortunately given us all an opportunity to see what the NFL really thinks of us, the fans, how serious it is about player safety and ref safety for that matter. How much of its own integrity it is willing to flush down the drain for a few shekels and pride. The NFL offices announcements on the Packers/Seahawks game were disgraceful.

    I used to feel that while the NFL had issues, it was genuinely working to resolve them....treating all of its various constituents both internal and external with a reasonable degree of respect and making progress on some things slowly and on others more slowly but still making progress. It appeared to be a league that was genuinely thriving based on the work done by some of the greatest sports visionaries of our time starting with Pete Roselle.

    Things like the crippling and debilitating ailments ex-players were left with and the lack of any real response either from the league or the current players made me uncomfortable but not to the point where I felt the issue would just go ignored forever. This is not an argument to let the regular refs off the hook. They appear to have been corrupted by proximity to this beast and are clearly no better.

    Now I just feel like one of those human batteries from the movie the Matrix....just plugged into the NFL bank account with my own little meter tallying up how many pennies they are making off of my dumb butt.

    I am beginning to feel totally disrespected...like the NFL believes that while my little personal pennies meter may run more slowly on occasion, they just plain have me by the short hairs and can sling however much dung in my direction they want to and I will just have to stand there and take it.

    Well the curtain is pulled back now and we can see the Wizard for what he really is. What is galling to me is that the NFL does not even seem to care that the Wizard's butt is hung right out there in the breeze for all of us to see. I am just beyond depressed. Where do I go now.....Anybody know if there is a World Water Polo League?
     
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    It's brutal. Easy resolution on the pension issue. Grandfather those that are current refs. New refs would fall into the 401K proposal that the league is putting forward. Not sure why the league wouldn't at least make that concession.
     
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    I believe the refs proposed that and the NFL said no way.
    Im actually on the NFL's side on the matter but they had a pi$s poor contingency plan in place. If they want full time refs and have them held accountable they should have told the old refs, this is the way we're doing it, your welcome to stay on board, if not we'll hire the best from the college ranks. Theres better refs out there than whats out there now, they should have had the process started from thje get-go.
     
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