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    They might as well get rid of the playoffs if they do this and make the top 2 teams play in the SB. Making the playoffs wouln't even be an accomplishment.
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    Almost all changes (and there have been many) are about the money. Football is a business.

    My opinion is that expansion will not make the game any more money. HOWEVER, a sixteen team playoffs with no bye might make more money. I'm sure the owners will make the right business decision, (as they will with regard to the pro bowl).

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    If the league insists on increasing its revenue stream, then which is preferential: two more playoff teams (no bye for the #2 seed, they would play the #7 seed), or a 17-game schedule? Four more playoff teams (1 vs. 8), or an 18-game schedule?

    Assuming you cannot choose 'neither', which would most people prefer? If I had to pick one it would be two more playoff teams.
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    worst commissioner ever.

    total hypocrite on player safety trying to add more games
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    Honestly, I think the NFL is just about the most "perfect" pro sports league there is. 32 teams, scheduling is a snap, the right number of teams make the playoffs, with a nice reward for the top 2 seeds that the other seeds don't get. Yet it's balanced enough so that quite often a 3-6 seed makes the SB. There's enough intrigue so that in the last few weeks there's usually quite a few teams in the playoff mix, but it's not a complete free-for-all, and almost always the teams that are in there are pretty good.

    But IF they are hell-bent on making a change, I'd start with adding just one more playoff team per conference and still give the #1 seed a bye. It's still well worth playing for. So the WC weekend would be:

    2 v. 7
    3 v. 6
    4 v. 5

    Then re-seed after that, with the 1 seed playing the worst remaining seed, etc. I think that would be ok. But what you don't want is a hockey-style playoff format where so many teams get in that you routinely have an 8-8 (or worse) make the playoffs.
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    I'd posit he's very consistent on player safety, at least if dollars is the ultimate goal. Pushing a "player safety" agenda, however disingenuous, helps keep fans feeling like they're watching a league that is at least somewhat safe and trying to help its players. Hence, they'll drop money on the league.

    And adding games/playoff teams is probably considered a net gain where the cost of player safety is outpaced by the revenue generated from extra games.

    Follow the money.
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    If I had to choose, I would choose 2 more teams PLUS re-seeding. Being the top seed is awesome if there is re-seeding.

    I would understand that eventually another two teams would be added.

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    They can either learn from hockey, or they can join its follies. They'll either figure out when they've reached a saturation point or they'll eventually overreach and damage the game. Sadly, they seem too greedy to make the smart decisions.
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    Roger's just trying to figure out how many playoff teams are needed to guarantee that the jets make it every year.
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    I am adamantly opposed to a 32 team playoff.
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    Adding two teams at a time, and continuing to increase playoff revenue, is NOT learning from hockey. When adding two teams does not increase revenue, they will stop. While I prefer

    Perhaps we should go back to 8 teams.

    My "preference" is ten teams, but that preference does not have any financial analysis to support it. Fourteen teams with re-seeding is probably an improvement, Re-seeding makes the seeds much more important. Sixteen teams removing the bye, which would probably be a mistake.

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    The NFL wants to reduce the preseason, but that's essentially flushing money down the toilet so they need to find some way to compensate for the lost revenue. I oppose expanding the playoffs, but if I had to choose between the status quo or dropping some preseason games with expanding the playoffs, I'd pick the latter.
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    Stacking the league with too many teams and/or putting so many teams into the playoffs that the regular season is meaningless are two good ways to damage your league. You can claim that adding any particular number of teams isn't too many, and that's fine. The reality, however, is that it could be too many, at any time, and the league understands this.

    That's the line the league doesn't want to cross.
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    We've already had that happen, and when it did the 11-5 Pats were sitting at home watching. It has happened before and will happen again, even if they don't expand the playoffs. As long as they continue this idiotic four division setup there will be less worthy teams in and more worthy teams out.

    They might as well form sixteen two team divisions and let each division winner into the playoffs. We could be the AFCNE with the Bills. The Jets and Fins could be in the AFCSE. The Giants and Eagles could be the NFCNE and the Skins and Boys could be the NFCSE. Then they could have half the league teams "fighting" to make the playoffs.

    Every year I get less excited about the NFL. The watering down of the playoffs is one of the main reasons.
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    I agree. However, adding 2 teams to the playoffs, re-seeding, and reducing the pre-season may be a net plus to the nil and to us.

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    Well, it may be a plus for the NFL, and it may be a plus to you. It won't be a plus to me, and I'll lose more interest in the playoffs. And there lies the issue for the NFL, because it's all about the league figuring out how many there are of "you" v. how many there are of "me". In this case, further dilution of the playoffs may not be enough to drive enough people away to make it a net loss, and I suspect that's the case.
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    Whuh-huh? The NFL has had 12 teams in the playoffs for about 20 years now, and the current division format has existed for about 10.

    If you're feeling less interest in the league on a year-to-year basis, I think you should place the blame somewhere else because the playoffs haven't changed in quite some time.
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    That's because the NFL knows that people like you who say "I'll lose more interest in the playoffs if they do this" are full of mularkey. You'll follow football just as much if they do it as you would if they don't.
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    My sports history has proven otherwise.
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    You've made roughly 34,000 posts to this forum over the past 7 years. So please don't tell us all how you could just let your interest in the sport diminish over something so tiny. Like I said, the NFL knows that the people like you who complain the loudest are the ones who aren't going anywhere.
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    Let's simply agree all 32 teams make the playoffs now......

    The playoffs start week one September.
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    Problem is Patsfans posters are not the target audience.
    Wildcard week this January featured truly awful games unless you're a fan of the winning team. Those with no dog in the hunt were bored. Click!

    But the target audience is the low information football viewer who will tune in to see the additional local favorites play.
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    We all want a playoff system that rewards good performance during the regular season. Teams with 10 or more wins should generally be included in the playoffs while teams with 8 or less wins should be excluded.

    It would be a pretty easy analysis to go back over the last ten years and see how various alternatives under consideration would have performed. Without doing the work, my guess is that we'd find that the current system performs pretty well.

    The 2008 Patriots are the only 11 win team in recent memory to be excluded. There have been some 8-8 playoff teams but these have been division winners, an outcome that is unavoidable in the current format where division winners are guaranteed a spot. We're not seeing 8-8 or 7-9 wild card teams but would likely encounter this if the playoff field were to be expanded.
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    It doesn't matter if he and many others like him watch or not. We are not the NFL's cash cow. Think about the current KFC commercial where the dumb blonde, (no offense to blondes), says, "Chicken go boom." THAT'S the crowd they want to appeal to. The NFL sees losing us and adding the chicken go boom crowd as addition by subtraction. They want to ramp up fantasy football to generate interest in more teams and dumb down the sport to the point to where fans think a 3-4 is the alignment that comes after the 1-2.

    I believe that announcers have been told to not complicate the game by referring to sets, schemes and alignments, but to instead concentrate on ball washing any player(s), mostly QBs, with a recognizable name. Remember Gruden's first two games when he was Mr. technical and how overnight he turned into Mr. ball washer? That wasn't his choice. It was the NFL's. During a game this year I heard Collinsworth say, "Not to get too technical...", when he made a statement about defensive alignment. It was the only one I recall him making all season. This has to be totally obvious to anybody here that watches football.

    Player safety? Why do you think the NFL is all over it? It's because they can't have an 18 game season if too many players are on IR. They know darned well that if they throw a few more dollars at the players they'll accept an 18 game season and so will the chicken go boom crowd. Face it, hard core football fans are a dieing breed and the NFL couldn't care less.
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    You know nothing about me. You're wrong on this subject. In fact, you probably couldn't be more wrong if you tried to be. I'll leave it at that.
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    I think the only thing the NFL should expand would be to bring back some type of springtime "NFL Farm League" like what they had in the 90s with the World League of American Football. But instead of putting it in Europe they should just have 4-8 cities throughout the US in 2nd tier cities (for example, maybe a team in Hartford, CT.)

    The league would play a 6-8 game regular season then a couple weeks for playoffs and finally a championship game in week 11. Each NFL team would be allowed (and required) to play 10 players in the league. These can be draft picks, rookie free agents, players with under 2 years of NFL experience, etc. Heck, they could even be old guys trying to make a comeback.

    I think NFL fans would support it, especially if ticket prices were family friendly. Teams would have their own uniforms but wear the helmet of the NFL team they represent (think: Pro Bowl).

    Having more experienced players will enhance the game, offer teams more depth to compensate for injuries, etc. Moreover NFL fans would have at least some type of football to look forward to rather than the emotional black hole we all experience after the SB ends.
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    even if they had a 32 team playoff..i would still be at every pats game i could go to and buy all the gear...but please don't ruin the playoff system NFL
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    How many low information patriot fans would tune in if we were a wildcard team?

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