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  1. Box_O_Rocks

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    NFL: Are the rule-makers making the game "soft"? - ESPN
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    Wiley seems intelligent and well spoken. How did he get on TV? Mistakes can happen, I guess. Ooh, he called Rodney dirty.

    You've got to watch your stuff when you're at the QB. That's show biz, the fans didn't buy a ticket to watch the linebackers. Seems like a silly rule, but they'll figure out how to call it or get rid of it. It isn't like they don't overprotect them already.
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    Do not have an issue with protecting the QB, my issue is with some of the other rules.. i.e. the "wedge" rule...that is idiotic, one of the most exciting times in a football game gets watered down...

    Rodney will be an excellent commentator.. and will go far in that field.
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    I don't have any problems with forcing pass rushers to avoid diving at or rolling into the quarterbacks knees(Pittsburgh). You can pass rush without trying to go that low, players can adjust to this rule and still pass rush.
    My beef is with the way receivers are allowed to use their hands to create separation and defenders get flagged for breathing on a receiver. The safety issues are less of a concern than the manipulation of the rules in favor of offenses.
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    The "Brady Rule" itself goes too far by stating you must get back to your feet to tackle. So basically if your right next to the Quarterback and can disrupt the play, you couldn't do it because your not on your feet? All you have to say is simply do not lunge at the QB's legs. You can still tackle or disrupt the QB if your not on your feet without causing injury.

    Don't need these stupid rules, just simply say don't lunge at the knees. If they do it's a flag. If a players going to do it he's going to do it, a new paragraph in the rulebook is not going to change that anyway.
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    Wiley seems what?? I guess you missed some of what he said a few years ago during Lie-gate times..I do not recall exactly but..it was neither intelligent nor well spoken..and I wondered why he was on...
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    Ultimately we are going to end up with 'in the grasp' rules that only allow defenders to wrap up and not tackle the QB. That is where this is headed, but it is being done slowly.
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    Not pansy: defending players from hits to the head/helmet. The hit on Welker vs. the Steelers and the hit on McGahee (also vs. the Steelers -- same player?) were outrageously dangerous.

    Pansy: players who collapse in a heap every time a defender goes near them -- particularly punters and a quarterback who plays for Indianapolis. No place in football for drama queens!
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    Already there with the "slide" rule...not much of a stretch to go the distance and put them out of all contact.
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    Eli Manning did this early in his career as well. In fact, there were many commentators and players if I'm not mistaken, criticizing him for not fully stepping into his throws when defenders had a clear shot at him. Instead, Manning would lackadaisically throw the football and turn his back out of the pocket as quickly as possible. However, he obviously showed how tough he is in '07's super bowl.

    I completely disagree that you think the rules are lame. What Bernard Pollard did was cheap and there is no excuse for it. He was clearly beat by Morris on the play, but the a**hole had the nerve to get up just enough to dive head first into Brady's knee cap. You don't dive head first into a person's legs when they were as vulnerable as Brady was. In fact, that very hit could've ended Brady's career. You say that a player can disrupt a play without diving at another person's knees? Without getting on your feet, there is no other way to disrupt the play besides going after somebody's feet or legs while they are stationary.
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    You are wrong! The hit on Welker was border line because he could have pulled up, but instead took the extra step to make the hit. That is football!!! Tough hardnose football that makes receivers scared to go over the middle. If you are a receiver and don't want to get hit like that don't leave your feet! Its called intimidation and it is severely missing in today's football. Do you think Ronnie Lott doesn't take that extra step and make the hit?

    The hit on McGahee was a perfectly legit. Both players tried to get lower than the other, again that is football.

    Not trying to be an ass, but it has been my experience that people who have never actually played the game tend to take your point of view.

    Football is a dangerous sport and these rules only make more dangerous. Because now you have defenders not only trying to make a play but also being conscience of where and how they make that play. This IMO could lead to even more lower body injuries on the defensive side of the ball. But that is ok because it is all about money and the revenue comes from the QB and WR spot.

    The NFL by way of rule changes is making every QB and receiver a queen!

    And sorry Manning is far from what you describe, does he try to avoid the hit? Sure most players do. But he has drastically improved his play outside of the pocket and he has always stood in the and delivered the ball.
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    Football players are taught not to quit. Pollard didn't quit and did what he could to get there. Unfortunately it was in concert with Brady stepping up. He is not an ******* for doing his job and playing all out.

    Really some of you people need to establish a better understanding of a football players mentality and what they are taught from the time they strap up.

    If a kid on my youth football team fell down and chose to lay there and not get back up or make an effort to make a play, he would be benched!
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    I have no problem with Pollard not quitting on the play, but be a man, get your a** on your feet and make a tackle. Going after someone legs makes you look like a p****. Also the legendary Roy Williams horse collar tackle is the biggest "I'm a p**** and have to drag you down by the collar because I can't tackle" tackle there is in the NFL.
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    Helmet-to-helmet contact there is against the rules. The was nothing borderline about that call. It was absolutely a dirty play. The league defending it was a disgrace.
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    "Using any part of a player’s helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/hairline parts) or facemask to butt, spear, or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily; although such violent or unnecessary use of the helmet is impermissible against any opponent, game officials will give special attention in administering this rule to protect those players who are in virtually defenseless postures.”

    You can't avoid all helmet to helmet contact. And that is what this rule states. Clarke led with the shoulder and McGahee tried to get lower which led to inadvertent helmet contact.
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    Going after someone's legs when they have the ball is playing football. Whether you have to crawl, dive, grab a shoelace etc.. it doesn't matter as long as the opponent goes down.

    Football is an inherently dangerous sport. Accidents and injuries happen and that will never change. I think the over regulation of how a player can hit or tackle another player will only lead to more injuries.

    But then again I don't like the defenseless reciever rule either, so maybe I'm in the minority with Rodney. If you are on a football field it is your duty to stay alert and if you leave your feet you should be prepared for the consequences of that. It's what seperates the men from the boys.

    I don't remember Welker crying about his hit. And Brady came out and said he didn't have a problem with what Pollard did.

    Now dirty is going after someones knees in the open field behind the play ALA Ronnie Brown(?) on Vrabel in week 3 last year. That was dirty!
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    Yes, thats why my post clearly objected to lunging at knees. However, the idea that you can't tackle unless your on your feet is taking the concept of protecting the player too far for my liking and it's ruining how defenders can play the game. So players can't scramble and try to wrap up or tackle the QB up round the waist or thighs just because they might not be on both feet? Theres tons of senarios were a defender rushing the QB can get knocked down in the process, scramble and still cleanly attempt to tackle the QB. To say there isn't is being simplistic towards the game.

    Pollard was in no position to make a clean tackle and had no business charging into Brady's knee but thats an isolated incident that shouldn't require wholesale changes into that particular rule. All they need to do is keep it the same, don't lunge at the QB below the knee. Thats pretty clear to me.

    Theres a difference between being dirty and just trying to play football. If the QB gets hurt from a defender legitimately trying to tackle him from whatever position he finds himself in I'd say that was just part of the game. It's no coincidence a good percentage of defensive players in the league are p!ssed off.
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    Boy someone is mad about a t-shirt. One moron makes a tasteless t-shirt and now My QB shoud be injured for it.

    :D
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    On the Welker hit, he didn't lead with his shoulder. That was the hit being talked about. Replays clearly showed it going helmet to helmet.
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    Not exactly the same thing, but when people start saying the NFL has gotten too soft, I'm reminded of Vince McMahon bellowing how his new XFL would do away with all the "sissy rules" and "just let 'em play." Like his ridiculous idea to not protect kick/punt returners... until he learned that it's hard to concentrate on catching the ball when there's a strong likelihood of being plowed into by two guys running at you full bore. So then he invented the new and improved "5-yard halo" rule, which was basically the same thing as the "sissy rule" he threw out.

    Just my $.02.
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    Well, I don't watch these talking heads much because most are idiots. How would i know what he said years ago? Just commenting on his delivery, not the content of what he said.

    I especially tuned out to that spygate thing, since it was a load of crap. Sorry, I don't intentionally torture myself listening to sensationalized BS, life's too short.

    Some people here really need to compartmentalize and react to what the poster said, not some grievance i might not even know about. Since you mentioned it, I guess there was some quote in the back of my mind, but I was reacting to the delivery of some ex-player in a clip i just watched. Period.


    Yeah, that's what i said.

    Seems he went to an Ivy League school and...
    WIKI

    There you go.
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    He played in Buffalo and was part of the Jaguars team that got their butts handed to them by the Patriots in 2005 so it was his bitterness and jealousy shining through in the segment.

    To me I think he may even have been overly doing it to defend possible infractions by his own teams during his playing time...
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    Wiley's a d-bag, but he's a very intelligent d-bag. Columbia isn't exactly a football factory...
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    Like i said, something clicked in with the name after a while. Still, he could have been Adolph Hitler for all I knew. All I was saying was the talking head on the video was articulate.

    It's a shame that should stand out, but there are a lot of dumbasses on sports TV.
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    By the way, I seriously don't watch a second of these pregame shows because they are so sensational and celebrity driven and do anything but talk about actual football involving linemen, linebackers etc.

    It's all about a-hole receivers like T.O. shooting their mouths off, so I'd rather watch news or play on the computer.

    The only exception I can think of is Boomer Esiason. Besides the glorifying of only QBs and receivers and their personal lives, their are a few bland ones who spout cliches out of Bull Durham. Also, the BS happy talk, similar to bad morning talk show hosts that laugh like hyenas, but never say anything funny, grates on me.

    Sheeit, they don't even bother studying the rosters to know who is on each team.

    I used to listen to internet radio feeds for some games and the local radio announcers are so much better than the worst TV guy, it isn't funny. End of rant.
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    Ha! Perhaps a shift of focus, but until that other cat in the hoodie with the 'grain harvester, man operated' shows up for you, I'm not expecting any end. ;)
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    Yeah Dino just a little swipe at the boys in black and gold. I was referencing two incidents the low tackle on Brady's ankle in the 2001 Championship game(You remember that one right?) Cornerback blitz around the edge Lee Flowers goes low to avoid a block dives into Brady's ankle. Then Bledsoe comes in and tries to hand the ball to Joey Porter and he drops it.(Rings any bells?) Bledsoe throws touchdown Pats win Steelers lose at home(Yeah that one).
    The other is Kimo Iwontevenattempttospellhisname in the AFC Championship where he falls down and kinda rolls up on Carlson Palmers knee. Now I don't think either of those plays was intentional. Getting back to the subject of the thread I think it is a good thing to encourage pass rushers not to just get low and knife through the line and dive at the quarterbacks feet. Taken to the extreme a team could purposefully send pass rushers to go low at a quarterbacks knees as a deliberate strategy. Even if they didn't hit the quarterback it would have a psychological impact.
    Oh and by the way the Steelers defense is going to be terrifying this year as long as your D-line stays healthy.
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    Man, that was a long way around the block. You mean this guy? I've been beating him at chess all day, he sucks.

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    I agree, Boomer is worth the lot of them together.

    TV people generally suck. It's the radio guys who have to sound intelligent, which is why Boomer does so well on WEEI. He's substantive.

    I did, however, like the antics of Deion Sanders.
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    Before Satellite feeds I was listening to these radio guys at different non pats stations (no WBCN available).

    Everyone knew all the players, the tendencies of each team, it was incredible. Made me feel as stupid as I should in the presence of guys that know their stuff and love their work.

    Even the best on TV, sound like they brushed up on both teams for about 15 minutes before air time. It's mostly stupid features and happy talk anyway.

    Truth be told, I turn the volume down on the broadcasts sometime for particularly horrible announcing teams.

    Speaking of which, I almost like the execrable Randy Cross now, but it's self defense since the alternative is listening to the corpse of the late Don Cricqui.

    I appreciate that Randy has realized we might like to know who some of those guys are in pre season, so he seems to make an effort.

    My bad, I know but it's the time for new guys and they've been known to swap numbers faster that Pats.com can change the roster info.
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