Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by patsfan13, Mar 2, 2006.
Tags on ESPN at 10:20 am
Wow, uh..so this is pretty bad....=[
"Dire as Dire can be."
Get ready for no football in 2008
F*ck it. Let's just win two more Super Bowls between now and then. Whatever will be, will be.
Not good news? Or is it?
It seems no CBA by 10 PM tonight could potentially rip apart teams who have banked their future on an extension. Apparently the Pats are not in such a situation but teams that are serious Pats foes, like the Steelers and, especially the Colts, are.
So would it really be bad for the Pats to find the Colts and/or Steelers having to toss aside a few key players sometime tonight?
Obviously, it would be best to get a deal done, but maybe not until after teams like the Colts have to cut some key players.
Wow..I hope the Celtics get good real soon!
I agree with you though seriously..No CBA agreement = NHL all over IMO.
Just makes me sick, they have a good thing , and they blow it... I cant be sympathetic with either party, but I hope Johnathan Kraft doesnt bet the franchise in a card game, since he say if he were a beating man it would get done. Well guess what its not done...
It really stinks..I feel sad for football..Upshaw better get on a plane and go hide..I think the players will remove him ASAP...if they have any sense...IT is a dark day for football..really sad days...I feel like Upshaw really ruined it for his players...60%??? A bit laughable..I think he needs to answer to the players in his union..not available last night..so??
I've been reading this board for over a year, but finally decided to register. I'm not here to talk smack, just talk football. The Steelers aren't actually in that bad of shape. The $7M over the cap figure is including Jerome's salary, which is just over $5M. Once that is adjusted as well as releasing turnover Tommy, Willy Williams, and possibly Mike Logan we'll be a few million under. Our main hit this year is Jeff Hartings who has a $8M hit. They'll either release him and sign him for less or our new center will be Okobi or we'll draft one. I personally hope they can resign Jeff for a more cap-friendly deal and release Okobi (he's due to make $2M I think).
Anyway, not sure how much I'll post, but I enjoy reading what everyone has to say.
Upshaw overplayed his hand, left no time and no wiggle room, forced the owners to band together and say F*** this! They've actually done it, they've all cut their own throats -players, owners, agents . . . everyone. Welcome to Major League Baseball, goodbye to the NFL. The Golden Goose is now cooked and that's Gene Upshaw standing there holding the match. Played chicken and lost it for everyone. Screw them all! :bricks:
Welcome! I enjoy intelligent posts from other teams' fans. Its the trolls I cant stand.
Perhaps you are right, and your Steelers aren't in that bad shape against the cap. Still, doesn't allow for any significant additions through F/A or the draft, while still remaining under the cap. The Pats are under the cap right now, and we are still concerned about the cuts that are coming, to stay that way while still being able to participate actively in this offseason.
I think we can agree, though, that some teams have effectively stepped in the doo doo (Colts), betting that the deal was done and that they would have over $100 mil cap room, with the ability to spread the bonus money out.
Dont forget, all that bonus money now comes due in 2006. So how does the Steelers bunus hit look?
Only I didn't say "Fudge." I said THE word, the big one, the queen-mother of dirty words, the "F-dash-dash-dash" word!
Time for the Lifebouy
Welcome to the board.
football will be ok regardless
I don't like change but regardless what happens at midnight football will continue to be the top sport.
Forget the doom and gloom. A new CBA would be good but the PATS will figure it out and we will win the next SB whatever the labor climate is.
Here's to hoping no agreement by tonight! The Colts will be screwed!
I guess we'll go with no CBA, live an uncapped year and have no football in 2008. I'm sorry to be such a pesimist..But everytime I feel optimistic about this, somethings goes wrong So hopefully in due time everything will work itself out, but the NFL, without a doubt, has a fire in the kitchen.
Yup, somebody burnt the goose.
I just get a picture of a disheveled Upshaw with a match in hand, having caused a big boom and wondering why?? I think he's a bit clueless..and out of touch...( could be an interesting cartoon...)
I don't expect he'll have a job much longer. Some veteran players who are going to end up making less money are going to demand answers very quickly.
Welcome! Which Centers are you looking at in the draft?
Welcome, Steelgal! If you've read the board, you'll know that not all the Steelers fans here have been so constructive. I'm glad you're helping to keep the balance.
Include me among the doom and gloomers. Whatever happens to the Pats, the NFL without revenue sharing and the cap won't be anything like as fascinating, I fear.
I'm not surprised by this announcement today, I'm sure many of you feel the same. Upshaw has overextended the "wants" for the players and now we'll see if the players will make any changes in their union representation!
Trying to find the bright side - it seems to me that the only way out of this situation is to start withe the NFLPA easing their demand that ALL football revenue be included in the cap equation.
That demand created the domino that required additional revenue sharing among the owners - something that seems to defy a solution.
It seems to me that if the NFPLA gives a little in their "total football revenue" demand, it will allow the owners to compromise among themselves to share some but not all of the additional incomes, and to do so fairly and equitably
So in that sense, the fact that ALL the owners are banding together recognizing that a compromise is only possible if the NFLPA gives a little, its a good thing.
So Gene The Genius tried to play chicken ... but only killed the golden goose!
Thanks for all the nice welcomes. I don't troll anywhere because I can't stand those who come to our boards.
I'll try and answers those questions posed to me in this one post.
I'm far from being a cap expert. I don't understand all the ins and outs of the details, so I rely on others for most of it, but I've read that right now after Jerome's salary is reduced, we around $92M. I know they still have more cute to be made, Maddox, W. Williams, but the only big name cut might possibly be Jeff Hartings. I get most of that information from others as I don't take the time to try and figure it out myself.
As for free agency. The Steelers have never been a big FA team. They have always built through the draft. Our fans usually complain every year because they go out out and get those big name players, but they seem to draft well enough that they don't have to. The only player we picked up last year through FA was Cedrick Wilson.
As for drafting a center, I know everyone is high on NIck Mangold from OSU. Not sure if he'll still be around when we pick at 32, but if he is there, that's who everyone is talking about.
One more Welcome Aboard for Steelgal. As you know from reading, it's a terrific site, with a lot of good people who talk FOOTBALL, not trash.
I think the Patriots will be fine, either way. My biggest worry is extending Seymour and, as some here have suggested, we ARE a big market team, we're likely to be one of the teams that can ONLY sign its own FA's, so it's possible Seymour will re-sign here.
If I'm the NFLPA, I'm panicking right now. Upshaw has done a terrible job with this and I believe the fall-out could mean his position at the top.
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