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  1. WeezyFbaby

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    not sure if this has been mentioned thought it deserved its own thread.

    The overtime in the NFL is absolutely ridiculous. 70 percent of teams who win the toss win the game. To play an entire game to lose it based on a coin flip is absolutely insane. The NFL has the absolute worst overtime process of any sport its completely bush league. In such an important game we lose because we had heads.

    I think the NFL has to import the college football OT version.
    Games being decided on a coin flip is just mental.:mad:
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    The college version isn't perfect, but it is light years ahead of the NFL.

    My ideal system would be similar to NCAA but both teams start at their own 30 or 35. Starting OT already in FG range makes no sense to me.
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    I think it's about 52% of the teams that win the flip win the game, actually.
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    Just heard it on the score (up in canada) its 70 percent
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    Agreed, its absurd. It's the only sport where in O.T the opposite team doesn't have the opportunity to match. Stupid.
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    This debate has been going on for years. For the longest time the OT records were 50/50 on winning/losing the coin toss, but then a key rule change happened: The kickoffs were moved back to the 30yd line, allowing for better returns and shorter fields for the team that won the coin toss. At that point the percentage started to skew in favor of the toss-winning team.

    Last night Gost kicked the OT kickoff for a touchback. No long return. No short field for the Jets. At that point the OT was more like the old days of 50/50.

    The Pats lost last night because they rushed 3 and dropped 8 on a 3rd-and-15, yet still could not keep Dustin Keller from converting a wide-open 1st down. Horrible play by the Pats and worthy of costing them the game. The rules did not cost them the game; Their play did.

    Regards,
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    Cry me a freaking river ....

    The Pats D could not stop a 38 year old gassed out QB in the 5TH QUARTER from leading the team downfield for the score including allowing several 3rd down conversions - The Patriots deserved to lose the game since they could not stop Favre..case closed
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    And we don't get the opportunity to send our Offense on the field to even attempt to match. It's simple. The NFL O.T rules suck.
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    Only?

    Hockey's overtime is sudden death.

    Soccer is sudden death until they go to goal kicks (the worst way to resolve a tie)

    As is many other sports such a water polo, field hockey, etc.
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    Nothing more credible than calling for a rule change after your team loses. Must be a big Bill Polian fan.

    And I have also heard 52% so I'd like a link for that 70% stat.
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    They are playing both offense and defense in soccer and hockey O.T as opposed to the NFL, where the D has to stop them in order to get the ball. I could of rephrased that better.
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    Sounds like whining to me................
    By the way, does Moss have a ring or just a crack pipe???

    Cassel Played Very well in the LOSS.
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    Any evidence that Moss has done crack or are you just libelling him?
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    Crap like this in complaining about NFL rules only comes to the forefront when it involves the Patriots - Just stop the whining and move on

    It took the NFL years after years to adopt the 2 pt. conversion decades ago and there will likely be no more collegiate type game rules for a very long time so don't expect any soon
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    It is actually 52% of the time, but I really think the NFL throws that number around to avoid the actual point of the reason why this rule is unfair. The current rule does not guarantee both teams a chance to have a shot to win the game in overtime. Even if it was only 10% of the time that the team that wins the coin flip scores on the opening drive , it still gives the other team an unfair disadvantage in that they never get a posession to try to score.

    I have felt this way for a while. I don't think it is an excuse why the Pats lost, but a harsh reality of the NFL.
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    They adopted the 2 pt conversion at the time of the merger...It came from the AFL
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    I've also felt this way for a while, and I'll wait until later to complain about it again. I'd hazard a guess that the 52% figure is much higher if you were to only count the modern, offense-oriented era.
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    If you can't beat the other team in regulation, then you've put the game in the hand of chance.

    The NCAA style is so amateur and backyard football esque. I believe the proper overtime system is simply letting each team have at least one possession.
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    Buddy. first off relax. second as i stated i saw it on television sorry i cant provide a link for that maybe the info on the score was incorrect just what i heard. I have never liked the OT rules in the NFL so chill ok i am simply expressing my distaste for how the game ended.

    Other posters agree with the 52% that doesnt change my opinion on the issue in the least teams should have the chance to match.
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    That would make the most sense....

    At least this way both teams get a set of downs....
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    Here's what BB said on WEEI tonight, and I agree with him: Take the average amount of time played from all overtimes to date and make that the overtime period (no sudden death). It would increase the chances of both teams touching the ball. If the coin-flip winner is good enough to put together a 10-minute drive, or however long the OT period is, and score with little or no time left, then they deserve the win. If nobody scores, it ends up in a tie, just like it would now.
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    Would be completely ok with that. I almost like that even better than the chance to match. actually you know what it is better
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    You troll! Jets win and you make an account lol go back under the bridge

    Hey quick question how many superbowls have the jets won since the merge???
    Shut it..
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    I have a simple resolution. A TD must be scored. No FG's involved. Field position would be king. Ties would come back sometime. Oh well!
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    Yeah I think that the NFL ot isn't perfect but much better than the college method. However, playing another quarter as an alternative method I have heard is the favorite by experts and even BB himself. Not a full quarter but a designated amount of time.
    The college way is by far worse than the NFL's. You take out to many variables by automatically putting the ball on the 25. The idea of a non traditional way is to much for the NFL to handle I think thats why it won't change for awhile if at all.
    The fact is field goal range is all a team needs to win in ot and now a days a FG is close to automatic with kickers more accurate every year. I don't agree with the either way I personally agree with BB it works in the NBA. Point blank we had a chance to win that game and couldn't cover Dustin Keller.
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    OT is fine the way it is. I certainly wouldn't have complained about it if we had the ball first. As others have said, we had chances to stop them and didn't.

    It has probably been said lots elsewhere, but kudos to the Pats for taking it to overtime, after being 24-6 down. They showed a lot of balls after a very poor start.
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    Ehhh.... I've never understood the rationale behind having overtime and then still allowing for tie games. If you can have ties, why the hell bother with overtime in the first place?
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    If we had won the toss and the game I doubt this thread would be around. A coin toss is fifty/fifty. Just ask Anton C. :D
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