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  1. TP76

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    For those of you sick of the negative hype surrounding the Pats in the media... tune in to the NFL network 6:00AM EST tomorrow if you missed this show tonight.

    You won't be sorry... unless you don't have NFL network.
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    Where did they place brady?
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    NFL Network's Top 10 Clutch QB's of All Time

    10. Dan Marino
    09. Steve Young
    08. Bart Star
    07. Otto Graham
    06. Ken Stabler
    05. Johnny Unitis
    04. Roger Stawbach
    03. Tom Brady
    02. John Elway
    01. Joe Montana
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    Great list really can argue with any QB or were they rank.
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    big tommy deserves this spot.
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    I'd have him @ #1 had 19-0 came true.

    When in reality, it really should have. Had the defense not choked we'd all be talking about another Brady Super Bowl game winning drive with the hookup to Moss all offseason instead of David Tyree.

    Not to mention the amazing Colts/Ravens comebacks on top of that last year.

    He'll eventually be there.
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    Elway #2??

    Yeah, he had The Drive and all, but in 5 Superbowl appearances he stunk in 4 of them. I'd switch him with Tom on that list.
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    Well, unlike our other superbowls, the defense did choke, and we didn't go 19-0. Can't put him up there with Montana yet, maybe not even Elway, who had **** teams and still went to the superbowl, what, like five or six times?

    The Ravens game was a fluke, we definitely had fortune on our side there. Maybe we should have lost, you never know what would have happened in the superbowl. maybe some of that good karma we used up in penalties against the Ravens D would have come back to help us bring down eli on that infamous play... but yes, the fact remains that Brady is definitely a clutch mofo
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    I didn't know that giving up 17 points was a choke, I also didn't realize that not giving up any touchdowns to the 4th Q was a choke.

    The fact of the matter is, the defense did it's job, Tom Brady and the offense lost the SB, not the defense. If someone told me the Pats only would give up 17 in that game, I would of expected them to have won the game by atleast 10. You can blame the defense all you want but really, that last offensive drive for the Giants was not only mostly luck with all those lucky breaks but shouldn't of even been happening as the Pats should have had more then 14 points.
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    If allowing an Eli Manning led offense to drive 86 yards down the field with the biggest game in modern NFL history on the line isn't choking, then I really don't know what it is.

    That's on par with saying "I also didn't realize that giving up any runs until the 9th inning was a choke." Giving up the only two TDs to the opposing team in the final quarter of the biggest game in franchise history is called choking.

    Bottom line of the game was...

    Offense was dreadful, but showed up when it finally mattered.
    Defense was great for 3 quarters, but choked when it really mattered.

    Brady set up the defense to win the game on Eli's final drive and they failed to do so.
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    I think I'd have Tom at number two. If I recall though, Elway did get touchdowns for his team to win the game. Detractors can always fall back on the "well if Brady didn't have Vinateri" qualifier.
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    Brady should be ahead of Elway but behind Montana IMO. Elway lost 3 of the 5 Superbowls he went to (two rings), Brady lost only 1 of 4 (three rings). Both have moments that punctuate their place as big time clutch QB's. The tie breaker should have been the hardware.

    Also, I'm not sure on this, but doesn't Brady have the most come from behind victories of any QB ever?
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    I think it's pretty hefty praise considering he's the only active QB on that list.... and 8 of them are HOFers (screw Stabler, I hope he never makes it).

    Elway belongs #1 in my opinion as much as I dislike the guy... he had the same issues Brady had, supporting cast, for most of his career. Montana was surrounded by great players, but Brady and Elway (Sewell,Winder and the three Amidgets) were surrounded with mediocrity.
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    Disco is right. If the defense didn't allow the last TD, Brady would be #1. But that's the way it goes sometimes.

    I mean, who knows what would have happened if John Hall missed a 53 yard FG for the Jets in week 17 against the Raiders? The Pats would have had to win 3 games, two on the road, to make the 2001 Super Bowl. That's just one example, there are plenty others.
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    guess who is not on the list...jets QB - brett favre
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    That's an awesome example, and just goes to further illustrate how much needs to go right to win a championship.

    Do you know who you can partially thank for the 1996 Patriots AFC Championship? Then Atlanta Falcons kicker Morten Andersen. He missed a 25ish yard chip shot in Week 17 against the Jaguars that would have given the Falcons the win. His miss meant the Jags won the game, and got into the playoffs as the 5 seed. They beat Buffalo, then stunned Denver in what may be the most underrated upset in NFL history. Because of that, NE got the AFCC at home against the Jags, instead of going to Mile High. Could the Pats have won in Denver? Possibly, but not terribly likely. Could the 2001 Pats have beaten the Jets at home, then beaten Oakland AND Pittsburgh on the road? Possibly, but not terribly likely.

    I love #12, and he was, in no way, entirely responsible for SB42. He can overtake Montana as the most clutch QB in NFL history, but he does have to erase the memories of:
    (1) SB 42
    (2) Not closing the 2006 AFCC in Indy (clearly a colossal defensive collapse, but let's not forget that had the offense converted a 3rd and 4, Addai never sees the endzone, and Pey-me-tons never sees Miami)
    (3) Champ Bailey in 2005

    Even if he were to retire tomorrow, he'd be an insta top-5 all-time QB, and my favorite athlete of all time, but he needs one more ring to be considered the most clutch.
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    Too many balls thrown to the other team perhaps?;)
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    How does the defense keeping the game in check for almost the entire game fall into a choke job for them while Brady couldn't hit a receiver if he was thrown it into the ocean that day?

    I am not blaming brady, he is the one reason if we had to pick any that the Pats have had the success they have had the past 6 or so years, but seriously people, if someone told you the Pats only gave up 17 points in the SB, you would of said they would of won by two touchdowns, and if someone told you that they didnt give any up to the fourth you would of said the game was well in check by that point and the Giants got some points on the backups.

    Come on man, who cares that they gave up a 80 plus drive to lose the game, there were some miracles on that drive alone, we can talk about how they should of never been in that posistion to begin with and on top of that, the defense was the reason they were IN the game at that point, so no, it isn't their fault.


    I fail to see how if the defense didn't choke that Brady moves into number 2 spot when Brady did no one any favors to win that game.

    the defense set the entire game up for Brady to drop 30 points on the Giants by not allowing the Giants to score, but he didn't. He was terrible during this game, credit Giants pass rush.

    If I had to pick who lost the game, Id go with the offense, the defense did there job and more. Yes, the Pats went down and got the go ahead, and yes the defense gave it back on some lucky plays, but the game should of been over long before this happened and between the offense and defense, it was the offenses fault as to why it wasn't.
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    Ken Stabler and, especially, Steve Young do NOT deserve to be in the top 10.

    As for Brady not being #1, he can thank his OL for their shyte effort, his OC for his dumb-***** play-calling, his HC for his lack of adjustments, and his DC for allowing passivity in coverage, even on the final drive.
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    Here's what I remember about those:

    1. under level of assault that would make Elway and Montana look really really REALLY bad....he did not turn the ball over, led heroic fourth quarter drive, threw perfect bomb at end that Giants' coaches said cornerback made "play of the game" (not Tyree catch). Had best season in QBing history, made several late come from behind efforts last year....nothing about last year diminishes in any way his clutchness. Please tell me if I'm missing something.

    2. we all know why Manning eaked this out.....Reche+Gaffney+Brown+old Corey Dillon <<<<< Harrison+Wayne+Stokley+Clark....yes, even Peyton's DEFENSE was superior to Tom's in that game. Sometimes I think that was still tom's best season....even with 2007.

    3. do you remember who his go-to receiver was on that play....I do....the venerable and elderly Troy Brown....going up against the best cover corner in the game, and who JUMPED THE ROUTE....there is a difference between a bad throw (offensive pick) and a great risky play (defensive pick). That was not a choke. Denver had the lead and were the underdogs so they could afford to let Champ guess in the red zone and be aggressive....Pats fans have trouble acknowledging the other team sometimes (i.e. giants front seven gets paid too).

    Nobody mentioned the 02 season when they didn't make the playoffs....was that because of a choke by 12? Go back and watch the last regular season game and find out. that year they had arguably the worst defense since BB has been here....along with 2005.

    And to whoever mentioned the "Vinatieri factor"....please, enough. Joe Montana had a roster of talent beyond the kicker that were superior to the opponent. I'll never forget how Janikowski nailed his kicks in the snow game and Adam barely made them over....made them look a lot tougher because he never had a big leg....sorry, but that debate is over....nobody thinks Tom was the lucky product of having a great kicker....it was an insane argument to begin with, and now we have a substantial body of evidence....consistently sustained dominance over a long period despite a revolving cast around him.

    Would Joe have gone 4-0 in parity Super Bowls?....keep in mind how much tougher it is to win parity super bowls.

    Elway was perhaps the most gifted and talented QB to ever play....he was not however, at any point in his career, the level of QB that Brady is. Period.

    Joe was great, so was John. Joe wasn't tasked with nearly as much responsibility in his offense as Tom is. He wasn't asked to improvise and read the defense, he was asked to run the play that was called....and he did that with great skill, but we're seriously overrating the guy. I'd put Marino above Montana. And I'd put Tom way ahead of Marino....that's just me.

    In my book, clutch is just a synonym for greatness.

    You can single him out for the 3 postseason losses, if and only if you credit him solely with the 14 wins. He's amassing the greatest postseason record in history -- during the most competitive era of the league -- and some on this board value the lows as being on par with all the highlights. That's sad.

    Let's not act spoiled. Open your eyes. We're probably witnessing and appreciating the greatest and most clutch passer the league has ever known.

    being "clutch" is about making plays....sometimes the other team gets the ball with 2 minutes left....that doesn't make 12 any less clutch.
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