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    You might want to fix the title so this doesn't involve into a political thread. :)
     
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    I think of the Pats as libertarians actually.
     
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    They forgot to list the Bills as independents, but we know what they're all aboot, eh?
     
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    Actually, the "West Coast Offense" can really be categorized as a "moderate" since it relies on short, high percentage passes. The big plays come from YAC. (How many Jerry Rice "big plays" were slants that went the distance against suspect teams?)

    The libs of today are really the teams that stretch the field. I would categorize that a plays 15+ yards at time of reception.

    Also, if you have a TB and RM and WW, why go "three yards and a cloud of dust"?
     
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    Liberal isn't the correct term here at all. Liberals are disgraceful commies.
     
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    We are communists? Most of them are short aren't they?:p

    I think we are this party:
    BOSTON TEA PARTY - The BTP was a splinter group that broke from the Libertarian Party in 2006
    http://www.politics1.com/parties.htm
     
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    It's personell driven in most cases (Herm, Marty Shottenheimer being examples where it is not personell driven). If you flipped Brady and Grossman both of the offenses would look a lot different.
     
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    They're all communists (CBA).
     
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    Arent most of them named like Victor...or Vladimir, or Stalin??

    Oh wait.....Marko Ramius!!!
     
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    That was rather unnecessary, wasn't it?
     
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    Is this what they teach you kids at Missoula, MT? No wonder you ...., never mind...:D
     
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    Hmmm, this must mean Drew believes there are some commies we should admire.
     
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    ESPN treated us like a rogue commie club with a brutal dictator.
     
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    I think it is completely backward to consider BB liberal. He is one of the most conservative HCs in the NFL. The fact that he has Tom Brady, and trusts him implicitly makes throwing the ball a conservative move, and with the exception of continuing to throw with the lead last year, BB has never done anything that is considered liberal, or aggressive consistently on either side of the ball.
    His basic philosophy is steeped in conswervatism, especially on defense, which (incorrectly) has been labeled bend but don't break, but more accurately is described as being patient that playing fundametally sound team defense means a team needs to make a lot of plays in a row to beat you. Liberal, or agrressive defense is based upon I better make a big play before you do, and that is very contrary ot BBs philosophy.
    It carries through everything as well, special teams, preparation, free aency, the draft. BB is one of if not THE most conservative decision makers in the NFL.
     
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    The mapping from
    play --> politics
    conservative --> conservative
    aggressive --> liberal

    really makes no sense other than the first pair is the same word.

    Anyways, I would say BB is one of the most aggressive coaches in the league.

    He goes for it on 4th and short at a higher rate than anyone else, I believe...


    Also I remember watching this and it was absolutely incredible...

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2003-12-31-afc-beat-2003-review_x.htm
     
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    How about going for 4th downs?

    The liberal and conservative labels were obviously used just to provoke a reaction, but the article seems to really focus on and experimental, "open-minded" approach. Think of the linemen-free formations; the openness to taking academic research findings over standard league practice (e.g. the 4th down attempts); the core game-planning approach as opposed to "here's our strength, try to stop it."
     
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    He also aggressively drafts players above their predicted ranking. This year it was Mayo and Slater.
     
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    Why are some people fusing their political ideologies (more specifically the related terminology in their minds) with the football meaning being implied?

    It's simple, the article is implying that Conservative = A philosophy of maintaining and using the 'old system' because the coaches believe it works. Liberal = the antonym of conservative here. In that it breaks with the "old traditions and norms". Whether ones more aggressive and the other more complacent is NOT the case of the matter here.
     
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    I disagree with that completely. This is the most knowledgeable coach in football. He uses that on trick-type plays and plays off his conservative reputation.

    Examples: Vinatieri to Brown vs. Rams
    Faulk to Brady vs. Bills
    Paxton's crossbar snap for a safety vs. Broncos
    Brady to Moss to Brady to Gaffney vs. Steelers
    Brady to Patten to Brown vs. Colts
    A 6-7 LB 4-5 DB set with no DL's vs. Jets
    Stiff-arm he gave reporter before pretend-shanking that rat fink bazturd Mangini
    Showing up to Celtic games with his quite shapley new girlfreind
    Show me another team that runs a base 3-4 and is succesfull (Steelers used to)

    I know people can come up with more than this. He started a 6TH ROUND DRAFT PICK IN PLACE OF DREW BLEDSOE. That, in itself you should tell you about his approach. He rolled the dice and went with the kid. He started out 5-13 here.

    589 points last year. Yeah, he's conservative.
     

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