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    NFL Coaching Security - Who Has It?

    According to this article, only one coach not named Bill Belichick.


    Interesting to note that about a third of the NFL coaches are in the first full season (11), and almost the same number (10) are considered to be in a "win or else" situation entering the 2009 season. Those in that category according to this article are Carolina's John Fox, Jacksonville's Jack Del Rio, San Diego's Norv Turner, Houston's Gary Kubiak, Cincinnati's Marvin Lewis, Dallas' Wade Phillips, Buffalo's Dick Jauron, Minnesota's Brad Childress, Oakland's Tom Cable, and Washington's Jim Zorn.

    If I had to pick who will be the first to, my guess is Zorn. After spending all that money on Albert Haynesworth and DeAngelo Hall, Dan Snyder has probably convinced himself that Washington is a Super Bowl contender.
     
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    My pick and one that I think won't even be close in this bunch is Norv Turner who IMO has the 2nd best team in the NFL this year with talent flowing everywhere and if Merrimen is fully back from his injury and Tomlinson is ready to return to his pre-2004 team then SD should definately be a SB contender -

    If they go anywhere near 8-8 with that roster, Turner is gone before snow falls,guaranteed AJ Smith and the owner won't tolerate another subpar year.

    Right now I would bet SD and NE to meet again in January unless Norv messes things up
     
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    Yeah, I agree Norv will be on the hot seat if the Chargers struggle. The main reason I didn't pick him over Zorn though is because I doubt San Diego will have any problems in that division that year. The Chiefs and Broncos appear to be in a rebuilding year, which would leave the Raiders as a strong possibility to finish second.

    I'm guessing that with Merriman back Turner won't give AJ Smith a reason to fire him - at least until the playoffs start.
     
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    Yeah,I think SD could win that division by nearly as much of a gap as the 2007 Pats did in the East

    I could see the division looking like this...

    SD 13-3
    Oak 9-7
    KC 7-9
    DEN 6-10
     
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    I liked this article -- light-hearted, opinionated, well-informed and provocative. Thanks for the link.
     
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    He puts Mike Tomlin in the same Untouchable category as BB. :snob:
     
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    i think we won in 06 by 5 games, it doesn't matter how much we win the division by, (if we win it) if we lose our first playoff game. we have to have some type of success in the playoffs.

    if norv doesn't get to the playoffs, regardless if losing merriman again is the reason, or if we lose our first playoff game, he's going to be fired.

    the offense under norv, has been exceptional, #2 in scoring in the nfl last season, and produced the #1 qb

    the defense without merriman, was horrible until december.

    hopefully rivera can help but i think the real help is merriman, the defense will sink or swim because of him (or if larry english has what it takes to step in if need be)
     
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    the previous year's sb winning coach deserves to be listed with BB in that category, and no one else.
     
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    Keep in mind the article is about job security, not "who is the best Head Coach." The last time Pittsburgh fired their head coach was what, back in the '60s?

    Actually with that theme the Raiders and Steelers both deserve a category of their own on each end of the scale.
     
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    JMO but Tomlin hasn't earned the same job security as BB, at least not yet,that's why I was surprised to see his name there. JMHO but I think BB stands alone in that category. BB's not only won 3 SB's but he's had this team in the post season every year except 2. Tomlin doesn't even come close.
     
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    I'm not sure why Fisher is so far down the list. I think he's about as untouchable a coach as there is; he has the full and complete trust of the ownership, just came off the best regular-season record in the NFL, and was a couple fumbles away from winning against the Ravens in the post season. I think they could have handled the Steelers, considering they blew them out so handily earlier in the year. Anyway, he's one of the most tenured coaches in the league, and there's no way he gets fired any time in the near future. It's just not going to happen, not even if the team goes winless.
     
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    There's not a coach in the league that can survive going winless unless everyone knew that the team was a complete train wreck going in and it had nothing to do with the head coach, and that includes Belichick and Tomlin.
     
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    It appeared to me the loss of Merriman had a domino effect on the Chargers last year. It looked to me that with Merriman out opponents could focus more on Shaun Phillips, making him less effective. Now with Merriman out and Phillips being less productive, opposing quarterbacks had more time for a play to develop. As a result Jammer and Cromartie had a more difficult time keeping opposing receivers in check, and there were less opportunities for interceptions with less pressure on the opposing quarterback.

    In other words Merriman being out affected not one, but four positions: both outside linebackers and both cornerbacks.
     
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    If BB left the Pats today NOBODY on that list would be "untouchable".
     
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    That was probably overdoing it a bit much on the hyperbole. You're right. I just wanted to reinforce my point.

    As for the actual crux of my argument, however, I'd like to know your thoughts. You're excellent at picking out a weak point in people's arguments (see above; thanks for calling me out when I was being a little too loose with my words), but I wish you gave more analysis of the content and less critique of the words used to communicate. While I understand that clarity and precision are vital for good communication, it seems you delight in pointing out people's lapses in logic and occasional overstatments. Nothing personal--I usually enjoy your posts. :)
     
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    Well, faulty logic and overstatements lead to bad arguments. It's not that I delight in pointing them out (Hell, I love hyperbole, it's just tough to get the tone of it across when you're using the internet), it's that you can't really have a worthwhile discussion about opposing opinions if one person's logic train can't make it out of the station. As long as that person remains invested in his/her terrible logic, all the evidence in the world won't matter to them.

    Example:

    Bad logic: "Brady's better than Manning because he's won more Super Bowls. That's all that counts. It's all about the Super Bowls."

    Problem: Dilfer's better than All-time greats like Marino and Fouts under that Rubrick.

    However, until that person gets off that line of logic, the discussion will be a waste of time. Unfortunately, this sort of thing happens all too often here.

    If it makes you feel better (it probably won't), I'm far more harsh on myself in real life than I am with people here on the boards. I don't 'edit' when I criticize myself, the way I do when I post here.
     
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    Tom Cable has to be most likely to be first gone, hell with the way Al is doing things lately he could be gone before the season starts. Anyways their first couple of games are as follows

    Chargers
    @ Chiefs
    Broncos
    @ Oilers
    @ Giants
    Eagles

    Now I think they will be very lucky to have one win after all them games. I can't see Cable being there after that.

    Norv Turner has to go if the Chargers are worse than .500 after six games. He should be gone already in my opinion. And Brad Childress is getting close to the edge as well. If they sign Favre and he starts and doesn't do it then he will be gone as well.
     
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    Maybe not, so so what? Whether he earned it or why his job is irrelevant. Only that it is. Security is not going to be fired. The San Diego Buffoons might fire a 14-2 coach, so no coach there will have security, but the Steelers have better ownership; the Steelers don't have a history of firing coaches period.
     
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    It doesn't, but it explains a lot.
     
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    SM was out hurt and because of this the chargers D was awful?? NOPE, the D was awful to begin with, and his absence only accentuated it. A defense is only as strong as its WEAKEST link, not its STRONGEST. They played 6 games against the dreadful AFC west and another 4 against the AFC east and STILL only won 8 games?? With that talent on offense??
     
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