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  1. Ilikehappyppl

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    And it will be the first time I vote of any kind, I always said if they give me someone worth voting for I would.....well that time has come.

    In 2012 I will be voting for Ron Paul, Why? well I don't agree with all his views, he's the only one that's not bat **** crazy. I was doing research tonight and I just started reading what he was about and watched some video. I came across this:

    1/6 Ron Paul 20/20 Banned ABC News Interview - YouTube

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    6/6 Ron Paul 20/20 Banned ABC News Interview - YouTube

    I was looking for someone, who shares most of my views and this man does! Now I am skeptical because of Mr. Used car sells man (Obama) and all his false promises but I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt! Now if he gets elected and lies I am never voting again!

    I have read on this forum about him, I know there is some news paper stuff but I don't care, I can look past his past regressions because of his view on other thing, he's spot on most of the time, no one perfect. He's not about the status quo! He votes agianst his own party and he has the balls to say what people need to hear rather then what they want to hear.


    VOTE RON PAUL 2012!!! WOOT!
     
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    Ron Paul opened my eyes, and woke me up 4 years ago, he encouraged me to read a few books, and look a bit deoper into this machine. I find him the most original politician I have ever known.
     
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    Would really look seriously at a liberatarian candidate, however as Paul is a situational one.. have to walk away.

    Too much of a hidden agenda for my preference.... do not trust him at all.
     
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    Welcome to the electorate.

    :ugh:
     
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    I know right? 30+ years of consistent voting record in Congress... creeps me out..

    I'm far more comfortable with my politicians saying one thing and doing the dirty work behind closed doors.
     
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    Was referring to being a situational liberatarian....

    FYI here is a wake up call, every politician does crap behind closed doors, every politician is influenced by the sweet greenbacks of lobbyists..
     
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    Oh baloney.

    Which mansion/yacht/supercar could lobbyists' money buy for Mitt Romney that his own money can't already buy? Ted Kennedy had enough money for 10 lifetime's worth of Crown Royal. You can bet he didn't endure a lifetime of the likes of Harry Boy goin' glub, glub, glub at him for money.
     
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    Good for you, your a "Free American" we can do as we wish, if Obama is elected again thats the end of my voting days also, thats all I have to say, I'll get infractions if I say more.
     
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    Lobbyists still influence, consider the richest person in Congress, Darrell Issa(value over 300 million dollars) he receives mucho cash from many sources.. he received well over a million dollars in 2009-2010.. not bad for someone accused of car theft twice.

    Everyone is influenced inside the beltway..

    Darrell Issa: Campaign Finance/Money - Summary - Representative 2010 | OpenSecrets

    Darrell Issa has a former staffer from Goldman Sachs involved with the investigation of Goldman Sachs that Issa is investigating.. guess the outcome??

    Even beloved Ted Kennedy received about $1.5 million from lobbysts..
     
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    Please, enlighten me on who you are voting for? Cause the way I see it I have jokers to the left of me and clowns to the right I'm just stuck here in the middle:cool:

    Only one running next year, that's not crazy! All of the others, right or left are either lairs or fakes, only one with a track record is Ron Paul......

    Obama is a one term, only because he has no back bone........If he would of make good on his promises he would be in good shape.:bricks:
     
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    From what I have heard, most of his contributions come from military family's around 70% is what I read....More then doable what any other candidate has.
     
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    Well im heading to Orlando this minute to go listen to him!
     
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    #11 Jersey

    Can you post your thoughts on his speech when you are back online?

    I agree with a lot of what Paul says but the stuff I disagree with would never make me vote for him.
     
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    You should not hear, you should know in these days of transparency it is all right in front of your eyes.. he wants to shrink the military, so it is surprising that you "hear" that.

    Ron Paul: Campaign Finance/Money - Summary - Representative 2010 | OpenSecrets

    I know all you Liberatarians are familiar with the "Free State Project."

    http://freestateproject.org/
     
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    Ron Paul receives the most military donations, again | CAIVN

    Its fun to read aye?


    I didn't say I agree with everything he stood for or supported, again reading is fun aye?

    Just cause he want's to cut military does not mean that people in the military won't support him, see some people are able to look over differences in order to get their country on track, its called sacrifice......

    So again who are you voting for? Obama lmfao good luck with that, that man's a waste of space.:rofl:
     
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    Just to remind you what you said.. not that that is important.. 70% more than doable, oh I mean double..

     
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    Ron Paul Campaign Raises Most Donations from Military | | Ron Paul 2012 Presidential Campaign CommitteeRon Paul 2012 Presidential Campaign Committee. So you were saying? Make fun of me all you want, it just proves your wrong.... so either u can do one of two things,say your sorry and you were wrong or just act like your **** don't stink.....I'm pretty sure I know what one your going to pick:)
     
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    I'll vote for whoever's most likely, by pursuing his/her policies as stated and enacted to that point, to do best by my country. I'm a progressive by our local standards, a centrist and realist in absolute terms -- so you know that my outlook is in favor of public works and/or stimulus; progressive outlook on taxation; realistic outlook in terms of debt and "burden sharing," etc. I also believe in a sufficiently robust federal government to enforce laws that protect not only the majority but the minorities too, and in other civil libertarian protections.

    You definitely have my sympathy regarding frustration with Obama. He has a repeated tendency to meet the other guy halfway, and then give away 90% of the other half, in the name of "uniting."

    I look at the "other side," however, and while Paul looks sane against that field (bad sign right there,) he does have a little issue with opposing the voting rights act and civil rights act, believing Woolworths should decide on the basis of their preference whether to seat black folks at lunch counters, and has ideas on the economy that are just plain silly.

    Around here I have very unpopular ideas, however. I think we have a long-term problem (Debt) and a right-now problem (Jobs). I think government spending in a recession is actually good -- even though it must be terrible for government to ever spend anything, of course.

    My problem with Obama is that yes, he must attempt not just to campaign, but to govern too -- and I have never in my adult life seen such a farce of an opposition, marching in lockstep since day 1, from filibustering every bill the Dems moved through when they got to the senate, to cooking up eat-the-poor bills in the House when they got their one off-year election success. So to have achieved what he did before the teavangelicals showed up at least makes me feel like there may be hope.

    I'd consider a challenge from the left, so long as the electorate is capable of moving left of Obama. Consider: Obama was attacked as a socialist, and if he behaves as a corporatist, he's still considered this tax-raising, rich-people-hating Kenyan Muslim -- at least, on the right. In the center, people just want jobs. But somehow we can't move on a works program or another stimulus. No, no, while the people demand jobs, the teabaggers hold us all hostage demanding that we pivot to move on debt, first last and always. The theory seems to be that if the private sector loses jobs, the best thing to do is to take jobs away from the public sector too, because what? Subtracting 300,000 from X million, will improve the situation?

    Paul's a little more affable and likable than the remainder of the republican field, but none of them has much of a clue as to what you do in a deep recession. They all talk repeatedly disproven nonsense about how cutting taxes on the rich will magically create jobs that they have no actual interest in creating.

    So yeah, you can say "good luck with that" about Obama, but one has to wonder what an Obama with two houses of Congress on his side can accomplish, when he's not worried about the next election. The Affordable Care Act and the financial reform bills were pretty solid achievements last time he had a Dem congress with him.

    So, we'll see how the people view the race, for the next what, 15 months or so? They'll be deluged by factually inaccurate ads paid for through the corporations & their super pacs... but then, the Dems have been raising money a few bucks at a time since 08, and they have a ton of it too.

    Frankly I wish they'd have a truth in advertising rule, and on top of that, a very strict limit on the number and kinds of ads they can get on the air. They do nothing but piss us all off more and more as the election approaches. And truthfully, I am looking for a fairly simple set sane policy viewpoints and actions (and so are most people.)

    So I'll vote for the candidate most likely to pursue stimulative spending, preferably through public works, and preferably with an emphasis on sustainable energy infrastructure -- and most likely to win by pursuing said policies, to the extent they can be popular enough to win election. No Naders, thank you very much. If Obama can't say boo about sustainable energy and win, I can live with it. If he can create a new WPA building solar panels and windmills, so much the better -- if in reality he even wants to.

    That'll need to be paid for, and debt will continue to be a national concern, albeit the background concern. That will mean revenues, and wahhhhh, that means taxes. Guess who I want to tax? People that can afford to be taxed. Me, for example. Yeah, I personally could cope with a percent or two from anyone in six figures. And wahhhhh, that will make it harder for me to ever retire, a long time from now. Lemme tell ya somethin' skippy: everybody's perceived needs expand as their income does. I've got my druthers about being better off. Wahhhh, I bought a house at the wrong time, and that can't be my nest egg. Wahhhh, I had periods of unemployment in my life so I have some periods of no savings & ahem negative nest egg growth. Wahhh.

    But how do I compare to a guy losing his home or already out on the street? How do I compare to a disabled vet in a half-again worse unemployment picture than everybody else? How do I compare with a whole raft of people who really are suffering, right here and now -- my countrymen?

    Oh yeah by the way, they are. Even if they're "different" one way or another. That's part of my social compact with the other people in this country: When people are suffering and they're my countrymen, I owe them something a little more serious than "trickle down economics" or crackpot theories about the knights templar or how the gold standard was better.

    I think a lot of our screwing around has to do with the fact that austerity does hurt somebody, and helping people who are flat-ass broke does cost somebody money, and the combo-pack can make life unpleasant indeed. Not as unpleasant as the alternative, mind you. I and those richer than me, not to mention the Buffets of the world, can afford a little of that kind of unpleasantness in exchange for renewed prosperity.

    And guess what? It can take years.

    Yep, if Obama's the guy closest to that, I'll vote for him. Paul? That's just going in the wrong direction, by my lights.

    PFnV
     
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    Why are you voting for the first time at age 30??

    Every election there is a tendency to look for a "pure" candidate, a candidate that if free from the shackles of K St. and other political influences, but none really exist.. on closer inspection they are all just about the same. Everyone wants that candidate who has the common man in mind, but none really exist. A basic understanding of the "Military Industrial Complex" and the "Power Elite" is necessary, the people who control all of this are a few shotcallers who dictate what goes on in this country.

    If you go to Ron Paul's website for info, that info is going to filtered to fit his agenda...

    The reality is that all politicians are tainted, all are influenced and none fit the intended criteria.. this is american politics, unfortunately. The real numbers are miniscule compared to the influence of K St. and its vast wealth and tentacles. Obama rec'd about $28,000 and Paul rec'd about $36,000. In the world of politics and campaigning this is chump change, probably no more than pocket change.
     
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    The main problems I have with Ron Paul are that
    - he would allow businesses to discriminate based on race, sexual orientation, etc.
    - he would shift more power to state government, where I think corruption runs rampant. The advantage of the federal government is that it's kept in checked by opposing parties, the MSM, special interest groups, and laws that provide far more transparency than typically exists at the state and especially local level.
    - he wants to cut government services dramatically and no plan on how to do so, without leaving millions of children homeless, hungry, and without healthcare.
    - he would make our federal government top heavy with the military--which historically is very dangerous.
    - he would end laws that make it difficult for corporations to pollute, endanger workers, discriminate against women, make dangerous products, exaggerate the benefits of products, etc.
    - he put out a racist newsletter (He denies knowing about it, but it was called the Ron Paul newsletter and written by his chief of staff)
    - he would allow that individual rights of people be decided by the states, thus allowing individual states to deny gays equal rights or women the right to privacy over their medical needs (such as abortion)
     
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