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    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/09/s...m&ex=1210478400&en=c65800f0ec50350f&ei=5087 \

    I find it interesting that Araton wants to punish Belichick for conduct that took place before 2006 - even though in his own article he makes clear that the NFL revised its policy that year - inferring that Belichick was not breaking any rules before then.

    Araton (who kindly provides his email hjaraton@nytimes.com) wants Goodell to send a message.

    A message of what? Suspending coaches for rules that didn't exist at the time?

    I wish someone could send a message to the media that they should be consistent over these things. Jimmy Johnson admitted to the same thing as Belichick did - under the same pre-2006 rules.

    I don't think I've heard one member of the media call for taking away the Cowboys Super Bowl Rings or putting an asterisk next to their season marks. And since they were all gung ho about finding teams that DID spy on practices and engage in filming, how come no outrage on their about how long this has been going on?

    http://www.thesportgallery.com/sport-stories/1967aug-nflspy.html
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    How is the Fans for truth campaign here coming along. We really need a generic email to send out to these morons.
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    I like how taping outside is now the football equivelent of cheating on your wife.
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    What a low-life scum piece of sh1t!!

    He is making it obious for everyone to see that he was HOPING Walsh had a tape. I guess people don't realize that doing that is un-American. In this country, we don't hope for the evidence to fit our wishes or the crime, we wait for the evidence and make up our minds.

    Are people that effing stupid that when the evidence does not support an allegation, we then ask for MORE punishment on the original transgression?

    WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!:cool:
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    I love Harvey's thought process. Since he was ignorant of what Belichick had been penalized for back in September, any new information discovered by him should result in new penalties to Belichick. It doesn't matter if Goodell already knew about it. It only matters what Harvey knew. How egocentric of him.

    Really, it just shows that it doesn't matter what Walsh said or had for evidence. The Mediots just wanted another opportunity to hem, haw and spout their drivel no matter how little sense it makes.
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    I love all these articles.

    Each one proves that this is really all about jealousy, hatred, revenge, and has nothing to do with logic and reason.
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    I sent him an e-mail ripping him for his total lack of a coherent thought process.
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    Media outlets like the NYT and ESPN have really made a cottage industry out of Spygate haven't they? Even PFT gets more message board responses for Spygate stuff than any other story. All these media outlets seem to be desperate to keep the Spygate controversy alive because it is good for business.
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    First things first............"New York writer"

    Secondly what about the Broncos who broke salary cap rules, what about the Panthers who came up dirty for steroids after the Super Bowl. What about the Steelers of the 70's who were juiced up? You have to remember that Belichick and the Patriots are NFL's evil empire. They are great and don't look to be going away anytime soon so everyone outside of New England would love nothing more then to see them go away. I'd bet you anything if the team sucked and wasn't winning the AFC east where the NY Jets reside you'd never hear a peep from anyone.
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    This was my email to 'ol Harv;

    "Yo Harv...you're kidding about the 1 year suspension for Belichik, right?

    After all, he's already been punished for his transgressions and the tapes contain nothing new. He was honest and told Goodell that he's been video-taping since the day he started coaching.

    Are you saying you support Roger Goodell going back on his word and decide to ADD to the punishment based upon public opinion? Are you that stupid?

    Why don't you get honest and just admit you hate Billy Belichik and you REALLY, REALLY wanted there to be a Rams walk-through tape. If you're man enough to admit that, then you'll realize just how un-American that is. You see, in this country we don't wish for the evidence to fit the crime, we make up our minds once the evidence is presented to us.

    Since the evidence only supports what Goodell has known since last September, tell me why more punishment should be handed down? I'll be waiting for your explanation that shows your bias."
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    I figured I'd contribute something actually useful to the whole spygate crap
    I mean this isnt going to stop for a while and no one seems to be thinking about ignoring it so we might as well be well fed
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    Did you really misspell Belichick's name?
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    Had you spelled the coach's name correctly, it would have carried more weight
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    I think the problem is actually worse than you imagine. These media luminaries have so much invested in there being something "more" to Spygate and have spewed forth so much vitriolic rhetoric over the last eight months, especially since the Tomass article, that they CAN'T just let this die.

    The Araton piece is an obvious attempt to influence Specter and his staff, who no doubt read the New York Times everyday.

    This is where the Patriots have played this all wrong from day one, in my opinion (and I have said so out here since September). Instead of adopting an aggressive, crisis-control approach to the media, they left it to the good people of this Board to assemble the facts and try to get the media to pay attention to them.

    As a result, aside from the New England media, there is no one out there defending the Patriots, while charge after absurd charge goes unchallenged.

    The Patriots failed to realize that this is like a political campaign, where unchallenged lies become "real facts" simply because they are repeated time and time again without systematic refutation.

    Maybe Bob Kraft is just too much of a gentleman and assumed that reason would prevail. However, Reason never prevails when there is a media feeding frenzy.

    The Patriots needed to hire an aggressive, tough crisis management specialist the day this story broke, who would not let a single charge go unchallenged, either by sending out a "friendly" talking head like Jimmy Johnson or by planting a friendly story with someone else in the media. They should have approached this like a do-or-die political campaign, instead of sitting back and letting the attacks build beyond all rationality.

    In my opinion, the way the Patriots have handled this entire matter with the media is an example of how NOT to manage a crisis.

    I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Patriots now lose the endgame of this mess, with a weak and fearful Roger Goodell caving in to Specter and the national media and imposing more "punishments" instead of saying that the whole affair is over--simply because it is the easier thing to do.
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    Congratulations on an excellent assessment of the situation. Its excellence is enhanced by the fact that, as with all effective problem analyses, you included a potential solution or means of dealing with the problem. Well-done.
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    Maybe somebody should remind this guy, that while we have already been punished for this, the Jest have never been punished for tampering with Deion Branch and making it impossible to retain him.... Thus, possibly causing us to lose out on a SB XLI appearance and even a possible SB win!

    If only he were there, we might not have been left at the mercy of Reche Caldwell who dropped a pass my 4 year old could have caught, with no coverage on him at all.

    So basically in my opinion, the Jest deceptive and ILLEGAL acts, cause us to lose a possible 4th superbowl title.... isn't that enough punishment at the hands of New York?

    Maybe we should have said that we were just taping the Jest sideline to make sure none of the coaches were making hand gestures and the "call me" sign (with a fake 2 finger phone to their head) to Asante Samueal or Randy Moss..... since they were obviously trying to pull the same crap during Asante's holdout last offseason.

    I think I will email this guy and say we are open to a suspension (not really) as long as Mangina would be suspended and we get their first round pick next year.

    Think he'll go for that?
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    I agree with you.

    Fans by and large couldn't care less about the steroid scandal. But the way the media has contextualized "spygate", even using that word, and "cheating", has some how embedded in the public consciousness the way steroids never did.

    There is an unusual venom attached to these criticisms of the Pats, a venom I haven't yet been able to identify clearly. It transcends sports, or entertainment. It is almost like these people if permitted would commit violent action. We have seen that encouraged by Wilbon, and if you read other fans message boards, they are constantly wishing physical injury on Patriots players. And it has become acceptable to make those statements.

    It is almost like the media has whipped up a bloodlust frenzy, and directed it against our team. There is something very unhealthy about it. It is like they have created a scapegoat for public furor and male frustration around the country, and the details of the case are incidental.

    They are now just reveling in their creation of an "Enemy", about whom they are in universal agreement. There is a fascist element to this.
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    Well if a writer for the NYT is calling for a BB suspensioon, I guess that is what will have to happen.:eek:
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    What a CorkSoaker Mike Fish is.

    He says that Goodell keeps referring to us taping "defensinve signals".. like that is his proof we need more punishment.
    Doesn't he realize that Goodell just refers to us taping defensive signals, because thats what he saw and we were accused of.... and tha we were punished for taping signals..PERIOD! The rule is against taping signals, not 3 different rules about taping each units type of signals!

    We were punished for breaking that rule, and all that that rule encompasses.

    He later goes on to clarify this with Goodells own statement of it encompassing them all. He freaking contridicts his ownarguent later on in his own article!!!!!

    He also tries to further indict us base on the fact that these tapes not only exist, which we already knew, but that they are much more sophisticated than he thought. ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?!?! Of course they are sophisticated. What about audio/video in this days world is not sophisticated? My damn cell phone can take a picture in black and white, negative, tin etching or color. then I can edit it on the phone... put your face on the mona lisa.. add text and then either email it to myself or my friends homes and phones, post it immediately to Myspace, or text message it to the Gillette stadium operator during the game for display on the jumbotron! Forget what it can do with video. Come to think about it, maybe thats what Jim Mora was doing when he got in trouble a few years back for being on his cell phone on the sideline during a game :p

    These people are supposed to be journalists, who are educated in the english language and how sentences are structured.
    But, when breaking down Goodells words, they seem to be on the level of 9 year olds arguing over who would win in a fight.. superman or the hulk.
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    If there is a tape of the Special Teams coach signals, we will probably see the media asking for a public execution.

    Oh, and by the way, Marvin Harrison is still being investigated for shooting someone, Michale Vick is still in prison for dog murder, and Chris Henry is allowed to visit other teams because he got fired for being arrested about 30 times. But let's keep focusing on the Pats, they are the bad guys.

    PS: CBS Sportsline has a good piece up about this: http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/story/10819413
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    That is a great article. this guy makes all the points we have been making... even calling Walsh and Goodell Douche's in a roundabout way.

    This guys awesome... are we sure he isn't a poster here?

    On a side note. I voted on the poll, and it shows 41% saying this new news means they should "throw the book at the pats". Did the people who voted even read the article..lol.
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    I've given up on worrying about what other fans think. So much so that the comments made by "Hatriots" on that column made me laugh out loud. Public perception means **** in the NFL - hasn't that been shown time and time again? So give it up folks who feel that Bill tarnished the game, or is a cheater, or gained an advantage that others didn't (uh, like that is in itself illegal), or... or... or whatever else they'd like to whine and complain about.

    The fact is, what the Patriots did has been done for years and wasn't "illegal" until 2006. They didn't use the tapes in-game and they had no effect on the game that was being played. The entirety of the ordeal looks even more foolish when you consider the coaching carousel that the NFL has become, where assistants lose jobs mid-season and head coaches last three years on average. Teams have acknowledged they change their signals not only from game to game, but from quarter to quarter (and if you aren't doing so against an opponent you've seen twice then you have no business being employed by anyone, let alone a multi-million dollar business). One would also think new coaches or staffs would make those changes more frequently.

    Continue to think what the Patriots did was a travesty, but I expect to see the same sort of disapproval and call for heads when an offensive lineman clutches a defenders jersey or a cornerback interferes with a pass - and I am open to hearing that those infractions should be viewed more dubiously, as those rules are grounded in something more concrete than a memo (or should Miranda in accounting be fined $500,000 because she failed to attach a cover sheet to her TPS reports?).
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    I've been reading some of those comments on the CBS sportsline story, and 1 thing strikes me. The Patriots supporters keep responding to things like "they cheated" with.. taping signals is not against the rules. And the next response from a hater is "they cheated" and do not even attempt to respond to the fact that taping is not illegal. It goes on like that ad neaseum.
    "They cheated by taping"
    "taping is not illegal"
    "They cheated by taping"
    "taping is not illegal"
    "They cheated by taping"
    "taping is not illegal"
    "They cheated by taping"
    "taping is not illegal"
    "They cheated by taping"
    "taping is not illegal"

    Don't they see that their lack of response to the fact it is not cheating, makes them look stupid? After hearing it is not illegal (probaly for the first time) they should just stop posting. But obviously these people have selective hearing. I can see why, but aren't they concerned about looking dumb?

    You know what I would love to see next season? A little phone booth thats open in the front placed behind the 100 section seats, where the beer hawkers are, that is plainly visable and painted with big bold letters that read: Legal signal taping location! or even section off places like they do with smoking sections. That would definately get some attention during broadcasts, and it would make the announcers explain that what the pats did was not illegal in principle.
    I even want them to put somebody in the booth with a camera. Since the Pats have taken a stance and acted like they didn't think it was wrong, they should just stand up and keep doing it. Maybe eventually other teams will do the same and it will just be accepted as standard practice.
    The commissioner should just make every team install these things at every stadium, for both teams. Since the regulation is in effect, then they should manage it like they do every other regulation. This might be the best way for him to turn this whole thing around after he botched it.

    I know this is a pipedream, but it would work.
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