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    More of the dishonesty from the climate alarmist and their undermining of science for 'the cause (as per M Mann favorite phrase).

    Breaking! Apparently, more emails released. Climategate II? « JoNova: Science, carbon, climate and tax


    It will rake awhile for people to go through all the new emails here are a couple of the interesting ones.


    This refers to the missing heat in the troposphere.

    Which I referenced before here is a link:

    http://sciencespeak.com/MissingSignature.pdf


    I will put more of the emails from different sites here to comply with the 4 sentence limit.



    Some on hiding data from FOIA request of publicly funded work that went into IPCC reports:

    Climategate 2.0 emails – They’re real and they’re spectacular! | Watts Up With That?


    Breaking news: FOIA 2011 has arrived ! « tallbloke's talkshop

     
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    Did you deliberately miss the skepticism, "Apparently, more emails released. Climategate II?"

    But they are eagerly awaiting Jeff ID and Tallbloke to confirm whether or not they are real... but thanks to Ripper, hunter, RoryFOMR, Janet J.

    In their mom's basement, the climategate warriors search emails for any sign of fraud..

    If it sounds too good to be true it usually is..
     
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    Attack the messenger protect the crooks.


    M Mann has acknowledged they sounded. This is the same mechanism that was used to release the original batch of emails.

    Of course the first batch was released to coincide with the Copenhagen Climate conference. This one when the Durban Climate conference.
     
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    What part of "apparent" do you not understand.. in my skeptical life have always lived by the adage, if it sounds too good to be true it usually is.

    From this blog...

     
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    So Phil Jones is the head of the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia,
    he is a lead IPCC author,
    he was voted one of the top 100 scientist in Great Britian
    he works with M Mann and J Hansen to keep papers disputing that human activity is driving climate from being published (thus excluding them from IPCC reports),
    he is in charge of the data set used for most climate research,
    he hid temperature data from other researchers,
    he conspired to hide data from FOIA requests,

    He attacked the credibility of Ross McKittrick and Steve MacIntyre whe they showed the math behind the "hockey stick' was wrong and would be generated by random datasets. So Phil must be a stat whiz......

    wrong he doesn't know how to plot a time series in MS Excel (ie column a for the x axis and column b for the y axis as a graph...


    Apparently, none of the people can do this either, nor apparently use Mathematica or MathLab. This is funny if it weren't so sad. This is the sort of skill that should cause us to wrech out economy to stop 'climate change'.....:rolleyes:
     
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    This is surely the work of Drudge, Haliburton, Bush and Fox News.
     
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    Without fail, they constantly do it, they still blame Drudge for the Billy Blue Dress "Cigar Party"
     
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    When Julian Assange hacked emails weren't there calls for capitol punishment????..

    Now that this "apparent", "unverified" information, comes from hacked emails the duplicitiy and situational ethics once again rear their ugly head.
     
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    Not that I am aware of. BTW unlike wikileaks there was no question of national security in point of fact these emails have been hidden from legitimate FOIA request since they were paid for by taxpayers both in the US and UK.

    Deflect away but they want energy taxes on the poor (in the form of higher energy prices) and are both dishonest and incompetent.
     
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    This is another abuse of power by the right. Long before, the report was released, there were various internal discussions among the scientists. In some cases, some of them were objecting strongly to certain lines of reason to keep those lines of reason out of the final report, and in another case they had a discussion about the fact that there were no rules for distinguishing personal from public-interest emails in response to an FOI request (and one way to deal with that was to delete anything you didn't want them to see). It's also another example of right-wing hypocrisy given the lack of outcry by the right to Romney's staff buying all their hard drives.
     
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    Since no one who hacked the system of if it was an insider looking to expose corruption how do you assign the political orientation of the hacker/insider?


    The fact is they discuss the issues with their research yet the public face was the 'settled science' lie. We can say lie because the email acknowledge that the models are inaccurate and didn't reflect the climate action.

    Worse they demonized those who raised the same objections that they themselves talk about in these emails.

    I guess if the facts aren't in your favor argue the law?

    They should honestly comply with FOIA request like any other government agency. BTW what should be investigated is why the DOE conspired with Jones to hide the data.


    Total perversion of science.

    BTW in the emails Mann describes the role of your boys at Real Climate as 'winning the PR war'.

    So we now know that anything they write is tainted by a political agenda and has nothing to do with science.
     
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    There's nothing wrong with any of the emails if they are part of a long list of b.s. topics and conversations people have. The only measure of the final report is the final report. Clearly, even among mmgw-ers or deniers themselves there is a range of disputes. Those emails opened us up to part of that range. The abuse of power is the knee-jerk interpretation of those emails as representing actions, but the fact is the emails were part of debate that made the final report more narrow than some originally wanted. I'm sure if the deniers ever prepare a joint report, there will be a variety of viewpoints, some more popular than others. As far as the PR war goes, no denying that's a part of the process, unfortunately, and the dishonest portrayal of emails is no different than Romney and Perry's lies in using Obama's words totally out of context in separate ads. But, that's politics for you. I guess we'll see the same from the left.

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    Phil Jones doesn't know how to use excel, think about it......:singing:

    He tries to critique McKittrick and McIntyre..... this is better than a Monty Python skit....:singing:
     
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    Woody Allen types all his scripts on a manual typewriter. Einstein couldn't figure out how a mechanical toy duck worked. Think about it. Adeptness at Excel is a measure of competence with product, not with a concept. The deniers use Excel all the time to generate their faulty conclusions. :D Just because he's not an into data input as you are does not mean he's not into the more advanced concepts behind what the data means.
     
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    Think Phil is then capable of using/understand a complex programming modeling a chaotic process?


    Think he can understand whether the model is valid or not?

    Think he is capable of managing a database of temperature records?

    What tools does he use in his work?

    Mathematica?

    MathLAb?

    Anything?

    He is an embarrassment.


    How bout the email that confirms that the models were wrong ie the missing heat in the tropical troposphere?
     
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    There are many scientists who are not especially computer savvy. They not only enjoy the manual work, they feel it allows them to get closer to the info. In the academic world, as in the world of production of goods, there are hand crafted items and the mass produced items. Each has its advantages.

    As far as your last point, about missing heat in the tropical troposphere, to answer that question I have to compare the emails in question to the final report, I suppose, something that I probably will not get to anytime soon!
     
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    Now the right is going to frame this as some type of effort to champion the needs of the poor, god I just threw up in my mouth.. you folks are sickening.

    Hacking is hacking, and that is a criminal offense.. no matter what the reason.
     
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    So you are OK with the poor having their energy cost doubled on the basis of fraud.......

    Good to know.
     
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