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New Hampshire Couple Standoff with Feds over No Income Tax

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  1. DarrylS

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    Been following this story for a while, a couple is barricade in their house in NH over failure to pay income tax.. now sentenced to 63 months in prison for their non-payment.. apparently they are doing on their religious convictions. The good thing right now is that they are not planning an Ruby Ridge or Waco, thank goodness..


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    http://www.boston.com/news/local/ne...ine_brown_gets_63_months_for_tax_convictions/

    CONCORD, N.H. --A federal judge sentenced a pair of convicted tax evaders in absentia Tuesday, but officials said they have no plans to lay siege to their hilltop compound to send them to prison.

    Ed and Elaine Brown skipped the court appearances in favor of remaining holed up in their fortress-like Plainfield home. The Browns say federal tax laws don't exist, and Ed Brown vows to use force to avoid capture.

    But U.S. marshals, charged with seizing the former exterminator and his dentist wife, say they're not planning to attack the rural site.

    "We're not going to engage in that kind of game with them," U.S. Marshal Stephen Monier said in an interview. "Law enforcement is not going away and neither are the warrants."
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    I'm sure you're not losing any sleep over this. After all, with a now all-Democrat party in NH in both the legislature and the governorship -- plus the nation's first openly homosexual bishop of the Episcopal Church -- homosexuals can now get "legal" recognition for their "unions", so there will probably be more people moving in to go on the tax rolls there. You'll get your dough.


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    Nitwits.

    Why don't they just make up 1000 bogus deductions like everyone else?
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    Taxes are way to high in this country. At some point we're going to implode. God bless George W Bush for making federal bankruptcy a possibility in my lifetime! We were on our way, he simply sped up the process by a generation or two. :D
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    On an individual basis, or even collectively, which of these statements are not true for a free society?
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    In order to keep all those rights and freedoms you mention we will have to FIGHT the Religious Muslim Terrorist for many years to come, this enemy cannot be negotiated with, they have no honor, they have no rules, if we surrender as the democrats now want us to do, the Rights and Freedoms you mention will be in grave danger.

    Do the Bush Hating Liberal Democrats among you really believe that if we surrender, lay down our weapons and start concentrating on how much toilet paper we should use that the Muslims will "Lay Down Their Bombs" :singing:
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    What the F are you talking about, I post an article about a couple in NH who are holed up after protesting taxes.. and you go into a rant and rave about godlessness and liberalism, NH did not go after him the feds did... you are out of your f...ing mind. I don't live in NH, my concern is that they do not pull a Ruby Ridge or a Waco on this guy. I give him credit for following his convictions.
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    They won't pull a Waco on him, Reno & Billy Blue Dress aren't calling the shots.

    All they have to do is lay around outside and wait, when they get hungry enough they will come out.

    Why don't they move to China or Cuba, who the f-ck do they expect to take care of them, me & you :confused:
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    #75 Jersey

    Hmmmmm, they DO sound like right wingers, don't they?
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    I would never put any bogus deductions on my return.

    On a completely unrelated note, does anyone here work for a charity that can provide me a receipt saying I donated $50,000 sometime in fiscal year 2005...? Thanks in advance. :D
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    Oh, is that what you think the homosexual movement is?? Well, we may agree on something.

    :D


    As for these tax hold-outs, this is really OLD stuff. They've been doing that in NH for decades. One guy is so proud he got himself arrested 87 times (this was fifteen years ago, so It's got to be much more since then).

    Yeah, these folks do have strength in their convictions. Gotta give 'em that !!


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    The easy solution is to build a giant wall around their house and declare the land within an independent nation. They could call it 'FtheIRSia.' Next all LEO's in the area are informed that any illegal aliens they find are to be expatriated from the USA by the most expeditious means, particularly so if they happen to be near the wall. Give it a week and they'll be thrilled to be taxpayers.
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    They *could* claim to be American Indians and build a tax free casino.

    But that would take all the fun out of it. For them.


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    I dont think religion has much to do with what this couple is doing.
    Its certainly the opposite of anything taught in the Bible.

    this below text from a web search spells it out pretty clearly. Government and taxes are not in themselves, evil, despite what right wingers may want to claim. Its certainly not what Jesus taught.



    Q. What Does the Bible Say About Paying Taxes?
    From Mary Fairchild,
    Your Guide to Christianity

    Did Jesus pay taxes? What did Jesus teach his disciples about paying taxes? We will see that the Bible is very clear on this issue.
    A.
    First, let's answer the question, "Did Jesus pay taxes?"
    In Matthew 17:24-27 we learn that Jesus did indeed pay taxes:

    After Jesus and his disciples arrived in Capernaum, the collectors of the two-drachma tax came to Peter and asked, "Doesn't your teacher pay the temple tax?"
    "Yes, he does," he replied.

    When Peter came into the house, Jesus was the first to speak. "What do you think, Simon?" he asked. "From whom do the kings of the earth collect duty and taxes—from their own sons or from others?"

    "From others," Peter answered.

    "Then the sons are exempt," Jesus said to him. "But so that we may not offend them, go to the lake and throw out your line. Take the first fish you catch; open its mouth and you will find a four-drachma coin.

    Take it and give it to them for my tax and yours." (NIV)
    The gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke each tell of another account, when the Pharisees tried to trap Jesus in his words, and find a reason to accuse him. In Matthew 22:15-22 we read:
    Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. "Teacher," they said, "we know you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren't swayed by men, because you pay no attention to who they are. Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?"
    But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought him a denarius, and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?"

    "Caesar's," they replied.

    Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."

    When they heard this, they were amazed. So they left him and went away. (NIV)

    This same incident is also recorded in Mark 12:13-17 and Luke 20:20-26.

    So the gospels leave no doubt that Jesus taught his followers not only in words, but by example, to give to the government any taxes that are owed.

    In Romans 13:1, Paul brings further clarification to this concept, along with an even broader responsibility to Christians:

    "Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God." (NIV)
    Therefore, we can conclude from this verse, if we don't pay taxes we are rebelling against the authorities established by God.
    Romans 13:2 gives this warning:

    "Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves." (NIV)
    And finally, regarding the paying of taxes, Paul couldn't make it any clearer in Romans 13:5-7:

    Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor. (NIV)
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    So....what?.......God works for the IRS?

    I'bet if you have a bible from before the 16th Amendment was enacted, those parts of the Bible are mysteriously missing!:eek:
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    Is that true?? I never noticed.


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    A post about a couple's stand against the IRS, has descended into rants about NH Politics, Homosexuality and whether or not Jesus should pay taxes.. oh my god... only on this board.
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    that is because in your original post you said:
    "Been following this story for a while, a couple is barricade in their house in NH over failure to pay income tax.. now sentenced to 63 months in prison for their non-payment.. apparently they are doing on their religious convictions. The good thing right now is that they are not planning an Ruby Ridge or Waco, thank goodness.."

    this has nothing to do with religion. that was the reason for my post.
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    The real question vis a vis Jesus and taxes is what sort of inflationary effect his making money spontaneously appear in the belly of a fish must have triggered. If I was Caesar or Herod or whoever was in charge back then, and I knew Jesus could pay any amount as long as he had enough fish bait, I'd tax him a lot. I wonder how many wars we'd be in right now if Pat Robertson could do that and Bush was smart enough to take advantage?
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    Religion and taxes are deeply rooted together. I always suspected gay people were behind the IRS as well:rolleyes:
    But religion and government are often one in the same. The government is the oppressors of the material and the religions are the oppressors of the mind. Together, they work very well in controlling people. See the crap posted from the bible that is intended to teach but gives no explaination as to why it's valid. Why should we pay taxes? ...Because the Bible friggin says so. What a pantload!

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