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  1. mavfan2390

    mavfan2390 Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

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    Basically the same as the old one, but a new new cleaner thread, with better defined rules.

    Like the first thread we will be using the MSN/ FoxSports top 500 that can be found here: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6421386

    You can pick anyone at or below the Pats picks, for example, if Chris Houston is listed at 24, you can pick him or anyone beyond that pick

    Also you can make trades using the pick value chart that can be found here: http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/pick_value_chart.htm the picks that you trade must within 5 on the value chart, but use your own discretion. Please explain why the other team would make the trade, as proposed by PatChick!

    Here is a list of picks...have fun finding a trading partner! http://www.thehuddlereport.com/nickelpackage/draftorder.shtml

    Also, this game will include the comp picks as projected by AdamJT13 of the KFFL forums, I personally think he's dead on about our comps, remember comps CAN NOT be traded. So let's use the following picks

    24, 28, 91, 123, 160, 165, 187, 192, 193, 224


    The only problem I can forsee is that the draft pick value chart doesn't take into account comp picks that push other picks down, for now, just use the chart as it is regardless, don't worry about it. ENJOY!! :rocker:
     
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    Looks like the same rules except you are allowing trades.
     
  3. mavfan2390

    mavfan2390 Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

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    That and I'm including more definite comp picks...sorry, I would've put it in the other thread, but that one's kinda crowded and no one would've read it.
     
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    OK not a problem. Didn't know if there was a problem with the other 'rules".

    Adding the comp picks would be needed to be done sometime anyway. We can change it again when get a 4th instead of a 5th.:rocker:
     
  5. mavfan2390

    mavfan2390 Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

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    TRADES (parentheses indicate pick value)

    28 and 187 (677.6) to the Falcons for 44 and 75 (675)

    Falcons trade up for Ted Ginn Jr, as their recieving corps is pitiful.

    75 and 123 (264) to the Browns for 67 and 194 (269.8)

    24 (740) to the Texans for 39 and 71 (745)

    Texans trade up for Chris Houston as they need someone opposite Dunta Robinson.

    71 and 194 (249.8) to the Lions for 67 (260)

    91 (136) to the Saints for 121 and 122 (103)

    39. Michael Griffin, FS, Texas
    44. Michael Bush, RB, Louisville
    66. David Harris, ILB, Michigan
    67. Josh Wilson, CB, Maryland
    121. Zak DeOssie, ILB, Brown
    122. Quincy Black, OLB, New Mexico
    160. Daniel Sepulveda, P, Baylor
    165. Courtney Brown, CB, Cal-Poly
    192. Dan Santucci, OG, Notre Dame
    193. Tyler Palko, QB, Pittsburgh
    224. Anthony Waters, ILB, Clemson
     
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    This is great. If we do enough of these, I'm sure to look like a genius somewhere. No? :confused:


    NE trades the 24th, 123rd, and 187th pick in the draft (740+49+17.6=806.6) to TB for 35th, 64th and 215th picks (550+250+6.4=806.4). The sixth for the seventh is hardly necessary but I'm a stickler for rules. I assumed that 20 comp picks would be awarded in rounds three through six.

    NE trades the 28th pick in the draft to the Seahawks for the 55th and a 2008 second rounder.

    35. Brandon Siler, ILB
    55. Jason Hill, WR
    64. Tanard Jackson, FS
    91. Zak DeOssie, OLB
    160. Courtnay Brown, CB
    165. CJ Gaddis, FS
    192. Anthony Waters, ILB
    193. Desmond Bishop, ILB
    215. Prescott Burgess, ILB
    224. Jeff Rowe, QB
     
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    Mavfan, unlike some here, I actually like mocks with trades. But that assumes it's a full mock of every team so the trade can proceed as a consequence of the way the board is developing. E.g. "ok, there are 3 blue-chip DTs in this draft, the 2nd just came off the board so a team in desperate need of a tackle may want to slide up here ahead of..." etc.

    In this format it's too easy to just engineer convenient trades with foreknowledge of the picks that will follow. E.g., you happen trade up exactly 4 spots to #67 when, by a remarkable coincidence, Josh Wilson would have been off the board at 68. ;)

    Can I suggest a rule amendment that you have to specify why the other team makes the trade? Who do the Falcons and Texans see in round 1 worthy of a trade up?
     
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    mavfan2390 Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

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    Haha, ya I got a bit crazy with trades to fit my own agenda...haha, agreed on the rule.
     
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    How about you allow for reaches and player slips you should allow a us to pick a play 5 spots above in the first 2 rounds 10 in 3 and 15 after that which I think is realistic? any takers

    and Drafttek.com has a great list for the team needs by priority that would be grat for draft help.
     
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    24. Chris Houston CB

    28(660). Trade We trade this Pick to Tampa who takes Anthony Spencer(according to DraftTek they have a priorty 2 need so they would reach) and in return we get number 35(550) and number 98(108)

    35) Micheal Griffin SS

    91) Michael Okwo ILB

    98) Tanard Jackson FS

    123) Darius Walker RB ( I wanted to reach for David Ball so bad cause I am a Homer but i just couldn't bring my self to do it)

    160) Corey Graham CB (but I will be one with this guy)

    165) Tim Duckworth OG

    187) Jonny Harline TE

    192) Zach Latimer ILB

    193) Tala Esera OT

    224) Chris Leak QB (a slight cheat but hey its one spot)

    UDFA

    Jeff Rowe QB
    Tanner Jenkins C
    Mark Zalewski ILB
    Larry Anam FS
    Ryan Clasper SS
     
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    mavfan2390 Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

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    Only problem is, who's to say who would fall? Then we would get into "he's the sure thing, no way he fall, you're being unrealistic "anything can happen its the draft" arguments. For now, please just pick someone at the spot or below :)

    Thanks
     
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    Going straight up - no trades or picking higher.

    24. Spencer OLB
    28. Griffin, S
    91 Marten, OT, BC
    123 DeOssie, LB, Brown
    160. Graham, CB, UNH
    165. Chris Henry, RB, ASU
    187. Waters, LB, Clems
    192. Naanee, WR, Boise
    193. Daren Stone, S Maine
    224. Chaz Williams, CB,La-Mon
     
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    It seems like so many of the players we like are rising up the boards. I did two of these, one with a trade and one without. I suggested trading 91, 123, and 187 to the Steelers for 77. The only reason why they would do it is for more draft picks. The last 3 picks were the same for each draft, didn't feel like typing it again.
    24. Chris Houston CB Arkansas----------24. Chris Houston
    28. Brandon Merriweather S Miami-------28. Brandon Merriweather
    91. Andy Alleman OG Akron-------------77. Stewart Bradley ILB Nebraska
    123. Zak De Ossie ILB Brown------------160. Daniel Sepulveda P Baylor
    160. Matt Spaeth TE Minnesota---------165. Allen Barbre OT Missiouri Southern
    165. Chris Henry RB Arizona
    187. Jordan Kent WR Oregon
    192. Tyler Palko QB Pittsburgh
    193. Dallas Sartz OLB USC
    224. Dan Mozes C West Virginia
     
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    I am using the NFLDraftScout site which is up to date (Fox is 5 days old and uses NFL Draft Scout).

    25. Chris Houston DB Arkansas (bring on Deion)
    28. Trade to Houston for #42, swap of 3rd picks (73), 4th #107 and 7th #213
    Houston needs an Oline and especially a LT Joe Staley and Tony Ugoh are sitting there.
    42. Anthony Spencer OLB/DE
    73. Eric Weedle SS/CB Utah
    107 Sabby Piscatelli SS Oregon
    123 Zak DeOssie LB Brown
    160 c Dan Sepulveda P Baylor
    165 Garrett Wolfe RB N Illinois
    187 trade for 5th rd pick next year
    192 c Yamon Figurs WR/KR/ST Kansas St (PS)
    193 c Jordan Palmer QB (Camp arm and PS)
    213 Anthony Waters ILB Clemson (PUP Candidate)
    224 c John Talley CB Duke (new coach O'Brien's pick)
     
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    8 (trade 24 and 28): Laron Landry, S, LSU
    91: Dan Bazuin, OLB, Central Michigan
    123: Zak DeOssie, ILB, Brown
    160: Chris Henry, RB, Arizona
    165: Allen Barbre, OT, Missouri Southern State
    187: James Jones, WR, San Jose State
    192: C.J. Gaddis, FS, Clemson
    193: Dallas Sartz, OLB, USC
    224: Jeff Rowe, QB, Nevada
     
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    Ditto...

    24. OT Joe Staley -- the only 1st-round value left on my board
    28. TRADE #28 to Atlanta for #44 and their #2 in 2008. The big value on the board at this point is OL, which the Falcons need in a big way.
    44. Hoo-boy is this hard. Harris, J. Wilson, Leonard, Gattis, Bradley...but I'll go with S Eric Weddle
    91. ILB Tim Shaw -- yeah, he's too small. At this stage in the draft, though, I'll spend a pick on an athletic kid who's held his own at LB, DE and even RB.
    123. OLB Zak DeOssie -- at this point he's a legitimate value, not just a sentimental pick. A rare swing OLB/ILB candidate.
    160. CB Courtney Brown -- intriguing small-school prospect
    165. OG Dan Santucci -- Solid-looking guard. Redhead, beard.
    187. QB Jeff Rowe -- should go higher, a solid developmental prospect in the Brady style
    192. KR/WR Yamon Figurs -- A break-it-open return man with some potential at receiver
    193. LB Anthony Waters -- PUP candidate with upside
    224. S Will Gulley -- Non-combine guy with good size and skills
     
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    I used the Kirwin mock as the basis for how players & trades might occur before #24. For team needs to help locate trading partners, I used http://www.newerascouting.com/index.php?c=6 Both of my trading partners had multiple picks and were rebuilding.

    24: Trade - Kirwin has the Titans taking USC's Jarret at #19. Their #2 need is DE, and CB may be #1 due to Pacman: Spencer and Houston are just the bait to wangle a trade back to #50. NE trades #24 (740) + 2008 3rd (= 2007 4th 49) + #165 (26.4) for #50 (400) + Ten's 2008 2nd (est. 400) + #189 (16.8). Titans outbid Lions who also want DE & CB (I want to move back further than 35 so Ten's 50 trumps Lions' offer). Trade value NE (815.4) Ten (816.8) (I think this could be a more favorable trade in real world terms, but within the rules...)

    28: Trade - Kirwin has the Lions trading back and taking Brady Quinn in round 1 in exchange for Tampa's 2nd and 4th. Detroit needs OT, DE, CB, LB, or OG - Jets projected to take DE Harrell, Eagles S Griffin, & Saints OLB Beason: NE receives Tampa's 2nd #35 (550), Detroit's 2008 3rd (= to 2007 4th (112)), Detroit can now address needs for OT before Chicago and Baltimore, or LB/DE before Baltimore - Houston or Spencer may also be there depending on Tennessee, NYJ, Philadelphia, & Saints moves. NE value (660) Det value (662).

    35: DE Ray McDonald (Florida) - I'd like to trade back further, but with no clear trade partner I'll draft Hill's competition.

    50: LB Stewart Bradley (Nebraska) - I don't have the horsepower to trade up from 91, so I take my top ILB prospect and pypass favorites Gonzalez, Leonard, and Smith.

    91: LB Brian Robison (Texas) - He edges out DeOssie, I think he will be stronger at ILB and is also a STs' stud.

    123: SS Sabby Piscatelli (Oregon State) - This is the sweet spot in the draft, there are so many I like. Sabby has the size I want at SS, and speed + quicks to match WRs.

    160: TE Kevin Boss (Western Oregon) - This kid wowed them in position drills at the Combine and his Pro-day.

    187: ILB Anthony Waters (Clemson) - Reported to be a fine MLB before his knee injury, his Pro-day will give us some idea how well he is recovering. Bradley and Robison are candidates to play ILB or OLB, Waters is flyer on a medical risk and an experienced ILB to go with the two projects.

    189: CB Tim Mixon (California) - I'd like to be trading forward to 2008 at this point, but projecting a partner is too much of a stretch. Mixon is the next slot receiver. In future rankings I expect Usama Young to move up and be a draft target here, for now he remains a UDFA target.

    192: OT Herb Taylor (Texas A&M) - 4 year starter at RT, technician, surprised scouts with his fluid play at LT during Shrine Game.

    193: OT Gabe Hall (TCU) - converted TE, quick hands and feet.

    224: QB Cullen Finnerty (Grand Valley State) - Pats are one of 14 teams who have expressed an interest in him, same number as Drew Stanton.

    Summary:
    Draft picks +1 for 2008: Tennessee 2008 #2, Detroit 2008 #3 (less Pats' 2008 #3).
    Defense: 1 DE, 3 LB, 1 S, 1 CB.
    Offense: 2 OT, 1 TE, 1 QB.

    ---------------------------- Targeted UDFA ----------------------------
    Defense:
    Primary: CB Usama Young (Kent State)
    CB Mike Richardson (Notre Dame)
    CB William Gay (Louisville)
    CB John Talley (Duke)
    Secondary: CB Trumaine McBride (Mississippi)
    CB Marcus Hamilton (Virginia)
    CB Antonio Smith (Ohio State)
    CB Calvin Bannister (Hampton)
    CB Geoff Pope (Howard)
    CB Duane Coleman (Clemson)
    CB Marquice Cole (Northwestern)
    CB Ramzee Robinson (Alabama)

    Primary: S Will Herring (Auburn)
    S Craig Dahl (North Dakota State)
    S Will Gulley (Houston)
    Secondary: S Leonard Peters (Hawaii)
    S Zach Catanese (Arizona State)
    S David Lofton (Stanford)
    S Andrew Shanle (Nebraska)
    S Ryan Glasper (BC)

    Primary: DE Jay Richardson (Ohio State)
    NT Ola Dagunduro (Nebraska)
    DE Zac West (Texas-El Paso)
    Secondary: NT Louis Leonard (Fresno State)
    NT Daniel Muir (Kent State)
    DE Mike DeVito (Maine)
    DE Rhema Fuller (UConn)

    Primary: LB Jacob Ford (Central Arkansas)
    LB Kevin McLee (West Virginia)
    LB Jason Trusnik (Ohio Northern)
    Secondary: LB Marquies Gunn (Auburn)
    LB Kyle Caldwell (Arizona State)
    LB Anthony Brown (Arkansas)
    LB Justin Rogers (Southern Methodist)
    LB Edgar Jones (Southeast Missouri State)
    LB Zach Anderson (Louisville)

    Offense:
    Primary: WR/KR Syndric Steptoe (Arizona)
    WR Brad Ekwerekwu (Missouri)
    Secondary: WR Aaron Fairooz (Central Arkansas)
    WR Jemalle Cornelius (Florida)
    WR Jerard Rabb (Boise State)

    TE Daniel Coats (BYU)

    QB Zac Taylor (Nebraska)
    QB Matt Moore (Oregon State)
    QB Matt Gutierrez (Idaho State)

    RB/FB Jackie Battle (Houston)
    RB Justin Vincent (LSU)
    RB Clifton Dawson (Harvard)

    Primary: OC Darnell Stapleton (Rutgers)
    OG Steve Vallos (Wake Forest)
    OG Kurt Quarterman (Louisville)
    OG Stephen Parker (Arkansas)
    Secondary: OG Brian Daniels (Colorado)
    OC Dan McGrath (Virginia Tech)
    OG Tucker Peterson (New Hampshire)
    OG Ryan Keenan (Northwestern)

    Primary: OT Cory Niblock (Florida State)
    Secondary: OT Chase Johnson (Wyoming)
    OT James Newby (NC State)
    OT Eddie Keele (BYU)

    Primary: K Brian Wingert (Northern Iowa)
    K Darren McCaleb (Southern Mississippi)
    Secondary: K Brandon Pace (Virginia Tech)
    K John Deraney (NC State)
    K Mike Barrow (Idaho)
     
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    Here's is the Mother of all trades.

    We trade to the Rams 24,28,121,165,187
    For 13 & 52

    We have 13,52,91,160,192,193,224

    #13 Patrick Willis, ILB
    #52 Marcus MCCauley,CB
    #91 Zak DeOssie, LB
    #160 Corey Graham, CB/FS
    #192 Waters, ILB, Clems
    #193 Nate Iiaoa, RB, HI
    #224 Daren Stone, SS, UMaine
     
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    no Willis love here at all. :D
     
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    It's like his need to "water" the rough on the golf course, he's convinced Mother Nature will reward him by placing another Patriots' logo golf ball in his selected patch of greenery.
     
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