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    The game was not televised here, but I enjoyed reading about the speed package. I imagine it will only get better with the addition of Mayo (whenever that'll be). Speed is good.
     
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    I think its a very interesting wrinkle, basically because our base defense is inherently slow, partly due to design and partly due to personnel. When you put in this package, you now have more speed on the field than any offense.

    I would worry about an offense' s ability to audible against it though. I assume this is a third and long defense, but now that offenses have seen this, they are going to have an answer (power running would be an obvious adjustment).

    It'd be interesting to look at down and yardage scenarios where this package was employed...hopefully Reiss or someone can provide.
     
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    i only wathced the 2nd half, but at some point i noticed that a number 59 was in the field a lot...and i had no idea who it was...

    and then i saw the Guyton behind the jershey...

    any input on how he played?
     
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    i think BB also knew where to push martz. his ego. he knew that inspite of this look , he wouldnt run the ball even when invited. here is the espn blog snippet

    ESPN - Exciting not good enough for 49ers - NFC West

    i expect this speed package less next week against the chargers and maybe a 4-3 D more.
     
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    Guyton seemed to play just fine... no huge mistakes anyway.
     
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    The Pats repeatedly had Green and Wright as the sole down linemen, yet the 49ers didn't even bother running Gore up the gut. I wouldn't call it a speed defense as much as I'd call it a dare-Martz-to-run defense and he didn't. Nolan was seriously outcoached after the 1st quarter.

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    Was Mayo's absence from this package a result of the undisclosed injury (the cast on his arm) or a result of coverage mishaps in the Miami game?
     
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    Bumping this...
     
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    I think it was more a matter of leaving the O unsure. They've got a ton of snaps on Mayo studied and zilch on Guyton and not a ton on Woods for this year.

    I think it's a really interesting idea, though it didn't jump out at me when I was watching. I wouldn't want to be a QB staring that in the face on a passing down.

    Did it account for all the scrambling by O'Sullivan? I admit, there were times when it looked like there two dozen Patriots playing D. Maybe it was during this package.
     
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    Could be, but I think they could've kept Mayo in there and accomplished the same thing I'd think, and just given Mayo different or more varied responsibilities. But you have a point as Mayo's responsibilities seemed pretty predictable, and I think Miami used that against us last week by targeting the center of the field. AD also seemed to struggle w coverage last week, so its hard to pinpoint it just on the rook.

    I really like the nickel 2-3-6, they used it against the Jets, and I think that's what they were in when AD had his epic sack. It's almost semantics to say its 2 DL b/c AD and Vrabel are up on the line and were pass rushing. But they could do some interesting things if they can count on Guyton. Maybe you can get AD, Vrabel, Guyton and Mayo on the field at the same time. You'd have 4 guys that have the speed to cover or rush.

    I'm still waiting to see some more interior pressure, they did it in preseason vs. the Eagles, and I think it will require the aforementioned linebackers.
     
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    I think we're also seeing the slow methodical deployment of advanced weaponry.

    Cassel suddenly shows every team they have to cover the whole field. Like, more field than Favre can cover, imho.

    The O-Line improved/got more in sync with Cassel. I don't get worked up about sacks unless we lose the ball. We simply won't win that battle on every down.

    Every couple of weeks a new D-back makes an appearance, or a linebacker.

    I think it's broad-scope game-planning. Keep every team a least a little unsure what they're seeing. No amount of film study can help you beat a quality disguise until you've known it intimately.

    I add weight to that statement by citing the Dolphins O and The Crying Game.
     
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    I've seen this defense run before, its a form of a nickle defense.. Its deployed for the exact reason you all mentioned, put the fastest players on the field. .But it can also be used to confuse the OL.. Hide exactly who is dropping in coverage or who is rushing..

    You won't see this defense used regularly until Arizona..
     
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    Guyton made an excellent play down near the goal line.

    I believe the Niners were in a spread formation and they ran up the middle and Guyton made a quick read and took Gore down at the line of scrimmage. There was room but Guyton didn't let him go and took him down immediately.

    Ultimately, the Niners scored, but that was an impressive play and for him to be in there in goal line situtation shows that the coaches trust him, which is the best compliment a rookie can get.
     
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