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    Perhaps it is your sources, but find this covered by both sides of the aisle.. each of which has a partisan view, difficult to find a middle of the road article that does not intend to inflame..

    This is one side, and has little to do with censorship..

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    I think we will see the end of what I've heard dubbed the "Will West" days of the Internet coming to an end. Data caps, restrictions, taxes, they're all coming. And they will be something backed by both sides of the aisle.
     
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    Nothing is forever there is to much freedom on the Internet the filthy politicians and lawmakers can't have that, next it will be Talk Radio.

    Never let a politician stand before you and give one of their "Bullsh!t Freedom Speeches" the days of "Freedom" that the phony American Politician always gushes and blathers about is now nothing but a bunch of sh!t.

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    We've had a few threads on net neutrality and it's something I've been following for a few years now. Two of the main motivators to oppose net neutrality are hollywood and the big telecommunications corporations (Verizon, AT&T, etc). Hollywood wants to be able to track the content type of the traffic to prevent (even legal) delivery of music and movies online, which TCP/IP and HTTP don't provide for - the protocols are agnostic with respect to content type. The big ISPs want to double dip based on usage - the goal is to charge google, netflix, amazon, etc. more money to provide "preferred" service, which is essentially a mafia strongarm tactic that exploits their position as middlemen. Your internet bill could wind up looking a lot like your cable bill. Any net neutrality bill would essentially kill both of these initiatives and would be a big win for consumers and internet users alike.
     
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    What's anything I typed have to do with "your (my) sources", or with partisanship? Is there anything that you type that doesn't first include either of those two things? Thanks for the informative post.
     
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    You asked where was the press coverage when you need them??? and I pointed out that it exists on both sides of the aisle, and due to bias it it difficult to comprehend the actual intent of this bill.... capiche????

    If you find that to be a personal dig.. so be it, it was not the intent.
     
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    This is more of what I was seeking. Press Coverage was big on net neutrality. My issue in following this, is that there really isn't a "side" to align yourself with, at least from a political perspective, because to me each side is up to some degree of no good. It's why I'm of the opinion that I want no changes at all. Where I'm ignorant, is with the specific changes, rules, or regulations the different parties seek. What scares me most, is that once a government, or global entity begins to apply regulation to a field or service, it never stops. One "common good" control turns into an 1,100 page bill that serves everyone's best interests except the people's. It's why I'm curious to see what everyone's perspective, or knowledge is on this. I don't think the net is political. Or at least it shouldn't be.
     
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    Dictators love this stuff (internet control) this is Chavez on it, you all know him, he's one of Barack Hussein Odumba's pals.

    If the stupid republicans go along with all of this "loss of freedom sh!t" Jug Ears Odumba will win 2012 we will have another four years of the ass hole.

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    Real World was asking "Where IS Press Cverage when you need him he was refering to the Liberal Left Winger that used to post on this forum, his handle was Press Coverage
     
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    The public is going to go nuts when they learn that they are looking for restrictions on porn. There's lots of things that are fair game but go after booze and sex and that could incite riots. :rolleyes2:
     
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    The public is going to go nuts when they learn that they are looking for restrictions on porn. There's lots of things that are fair game but go after booze and sex and that could incite riots. :rolleyes2:

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    I was going to say something on that porn subject but imagine the sh!t I'd get from my left wing friends about bing a dirty old man and Viagra..

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    Of course that isn't even about "Net Neutrality" That's about straight up censorship (which only a government can do.) I'm an avid listener of tech podcasts especially Leo Laporte and his podcasts such The Tech Guy, Security Now and This Week In Tech and as you might guess this is a subject comes up a lot and has been for at least 5 years now. It's an always changing idea just as tech is always changing. As Leo said on a TWiT episode last year, "The real problem is that net neutrality is such a bad description for what this is. I understand from a technical point of view why they call it net neutrality, but what we’re really saying is companies should not be allowed to discriminate about the traffic that’s going out on the Internet for their petty business reasons. The Internet was designed to be agnostic about all traffic, to treat all business equal, and no company should be allowed, no Internet service provider should be allowed in any way to impinge on that." And to us, the end user, that's a no brainer.
     
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    Al Franken has some interesting comments on this, today.. it comes from a biased source, by a real leftie.. but seems to encapsulate the issues surrounding this issue....

    He terms it the most important free speech issue of our time..

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    The funny thing is that the Online Porn industry make s a boatload more money then you think. Check out Alexia.com which ranks the top sites, you'll be shocked at how many top overall websites are x-rated.

    So what net neutrality really means for business, is the protection and stifling of innovation.

    With Caps and without net neutrality, start ups like youTube will not emerge, or twitter for that matter. Small start up companies with great ideas who can not afford the increased access to their servers will not attract users to compete with bigger companies.

    This will not end Porn on the web, it will only mean that the currentsuccessful porn sites stay at the top, along with the other top sites who can afford to pay the fee.

    This is EXACTLY what Sarbanes Oxley has done by creating such a mass of paper work and process for major companies that small to medium sized companies CANT break into the race with bigger companies due to the cost associated with it.

    Companies like google, would LOVE to kill net neutrality, becuase their business was born from the free ability to compete, and innovate on the web. They know exactly how easy it will be for them to be displaced one day by another team of developers in a garage somewhere.

    Without Net Neutrality, they can ensure they are the only ones to afford the cost it takes to provide premium speed and access to their services. Start-ups will have 0 ability to complete, unless your willing to wait 10 - 20 times longer for a start-up web page to load than google.

    This of it this way. PatsFans.com will not be able to afford the access costs, so coming here will be very painful compared to Boston.com or Patriots.com. And that is exactly the point of it. Boston.com, and Patriots.com see Patsfans.com as a threat and a loss of revenue... so backing this bill would essentially force everyone back to traditional platforms to protect profit.
     
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    Huh? "Content-Type" is an HTTP request and response header.
     
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    And is easily spoofed, not enforced, and not bound to the actual data itself. HTTP makes no differentiation between types of data being communicated - content-types are only for receivers of the data. It's also only a recommendation to use it. You still get your data if the content-type header is wrong, and it's just a convenience for user agents and servers. HTTP requests don't determine the content-type of the response, and an HTTP response can have any content-type header value but it doesn't change the actual bits at all. This is part of the reason deep packet inspection is around. Here's the HTTP specification on content-type:

    HTTP/1.1: Entity
     
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    You're on drugs. Google would lose more cash than Scrooge McDuck ever made if Quality of Service guarantees became a reality, and would lose even more if QoS were not non-discriminatory. QoS is a huge part of net neutrality. That said, google is playing the role of the pragmatist of late, but historically they have been steadfastly in support of net neutrality largely because of the perceived impact on their business position.
     

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