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    Newly released report shows 500 chemical weapons found in Iraq since 2003.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html

    As Sean Hannity is suggesting, Liberals should apologize for politicizing the WMD issue and not getting behind the the operations in Iraq for the right reasons.
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    You used the words "Fox" and "Hannity" is one post so all the Libs will ignore anything thereafter in your post :rolleyes:
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    You cannot possibly be serious in suggesting that WMD's were discovered in Iraq. Had that piece of "news" had an ounce of credibility, FOX would be broadcasting it 24/7, not to mention the administration.
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    Actually the military says they havebeencollecting them since 2003. On the foxwebsitethereis a link to a PDF from Some Pertagon person to the members of the intel commitee members and House and Senate leaders saying that 500+ artillery dhells with Sarin have been recovered. The shells date from pre 1991. This is data that has been declassified. Apparetly there is other information that is still classified.
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    :rofl:
    What a friggin joke. Talk about the imbecile and his rumpswabs stringing together scraps and peices of lint to justify invading another country and killing tens of thousands in the process. You Kool-Aid junkies need to come up with more than expired dust that used to be dangerous that they got from us.
    Dumbarses! :rofl:
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    You really hate any information that challenges your views,gotta become a little more tolerant.:D
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    No matter how many WMD's they find the Neo Libs will deny it, they will say they aren't WMD's, they will even say they are the wrong Color to be WMD's, when they get real desperate they will say "Haliburton & Jeb Bush planted them"

    The Democrats should send Jessie Jackoff over there to check this whole story out.

    I told all you haters weeks ago they would find these before November, wait till you see the next Rabbit Bush pulls out of the hat (Osama Bin Laden in chains) :singing:

    Landslide in November, remember where you heard it,.

    "that's right Harry" :rocker:
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    There were 500 artillery canisters of mustard gas and sarin gas.

    Although many of the canisters were 'degraded", that just means that they would not be effective if fired as artillery rounds.

    The "degraded" mustard and sarin gas could be taken out of the shell and used effectively with a small explosive devise on a subway, a shopping mall, or a busy city street.

    So, this stuff could be given or used by terrorist. My question would be: If they were "degraded" and not usable as artillery rounds, why keep them hanging around?
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    These are old expired weapons that should have been destroyed:

    "The weapons are thought to be manufactured before 1991 so they would not be proof of an ongoing WMD program in the 1990s. But they do show that Saddam Hussein was lying when he said all weapons had been destroyed, and it shows that years of on-again, off-again weapons inspections did not uncover these munitions.

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    "Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable conditions."

    And it sort of sounds like the weapons were difficult for anyone to find, including Saddam:

    "'It turned out the whole country was an ammo dump," [a Defense Dept official] said, adding that on more than one occasion, a conventional weapons site has been uncovered and chemical weapons have been discovered mixed within them."

    That said, for those still struggling to defend Bush for saying Iraq had WMDs, this helps a little bit. If you don't have useable WMDs to make your case with and your States of the Union lies have been debunked, you might as well use whatever garbage you find (including useless remnants of a dead WMD program) to make your case.
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    So tell me, how was Saddam able to kill 30,000 of his own people? Chain letter?
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    Harry Boy,

    They could not even find 1 WMD.

    That is what I found amazing.

    George Bush claimed Saddam had "millions" of WMD.

    But they could not even find 1 stinking WMD.

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    I thought he is on trial for killing 140 people.



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    Why are you saying many? Where did you see that some were not degraded?

    I'm not familiar with how chemical and biological weapons degrade. Can you provide a link supporting your statement?

    Also, Iraq did admit that any chemical weapons not destroyed were degraded beyond use. The only link I can find to support that is from a 2003 Federation of American Scientists presentation:

    http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cach...egraded mustard gas&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=10
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    Well so far they have admitted finding 500 WMD's.

    500>0

    The claim was that Saddam had no WMD. As Patters points out this does not speak to any WMD programs between 1992-2003. Although many of the translated documents point in this direction as well as alluding to moving material out of Iraq prior tothe 'last' round of UN Inspection and subsequent invasion.
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    Do you remember that story prior to the war about those 3 mysterious cargo ships running without call signs or registration?
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    NEM, Your entire rant is based on feelings and wishes- Not facts. We all know that you hate Bush, we get it, but to sit there and pass off these preposterous theories as fact, just belittles your entire argument.
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    If he feels it than it is fact....Just ask him..:rolleyes:
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    BE PATIENT WE'RE WORKING ON IT, WE WILL HAVE IT ALL STRAIGHTEND OUT BEFORE NOVEMBER.
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    Al Capone killed a few hundred, they put him on trial for "Tax Evasion".
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    Actually he and mikey are doing a better job of defending the animal, than his own defense lawyers, I guess his lawyers aren't panting for November and will dissmiss anything that will get in the way.
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    I don't have a link. The "many" came from a news report I heard on Imus this morning while driving to work. "Many" could mean 99% or 55%. That is not my big concern.

    My big concern is some terrorist group getting a hold of even the "degraded stuff.

    Now, right after 9/11, and well before the Iraq issue came up, I did extensive reading on this. It was a very selfish reason. My daughter was going to grad school at NYU and living and working in Manhattan. In fact she worked in a in one of the tallest buildings just 4 blocks from the WTC and witnessed the whole thing. She was living in lower Manhattan and I was sick with worry.

    Anyway, in reading that I did, I came across a couple of articles on how terrorist could use "degraded" mustard & sarin and other stuff to launch an attack on verious soft targets in our cities.

    The stuff that we found was "weaponized" in that while in an artillery shell when fired it mixes with another chemical which then cause it to become a vapor when exploded. If it sits in the shell for an extended length of time it starts to "degrade".

    When it degrades it becomes a gooey substance and is no longer "weaponized" in that it will not be effective as a WMD fired as an artillery shell. But the substance could be taken out of the shell and mixed with another substance and used as a poor mans WMD. It would not be as lethal as the original "weaponized" stuff but plenty lethal enough to be use in a subway with a smaller explosive charge.

    If I can locate these articles in my pile of junk, I'll post them. Are they availible on line? I have no idea, I wasn't using the internet at that time.
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    IIRC there were some chem weapons storage facilities in Dugway Ut, and Pueblo Flats Co. Th eleft folks were claiming that the nerve gas was deadly in the 80's 30+ years afterthey were manufactured. I guess Iraqi chems degrade quicker than US chems in the view if left wing 'peace' groups. LOL

    google dugway and you'll get lotsa hits.
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    That's fine, PATSNUTme. I'll take your word for it. Given it's danger, it's hard to understand why it was never an issue, even when Iraq said it didn't destroy some of it's expired materials. Maybe it was never an issue because the Iraqis could not find it. From the sound of the Fox article, the old weapons were found scattered about at various weapons sites (which says something about how nutty Saddam's military was).
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    Remember the translated memos indicating that theIraqi's were moving and hiding this stuff.;)

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