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  1. Triumph

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    Steven Neal played great in 2009

    I've read threads on here suggesting that he had a very poor 2009 season. And, I wondered why NE would resign him if that was the case.

    If this analysis is correct it would explain why he is back.

    ProFootballFocus.com - By Position
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    Thanks for the link!

    I had a quick scout through to see if there we any obvious tactical clues as to why our O-line isn't able to consistently open holes in the running game.

    Vollmer is a much better option at RT in terms of running the ball.

    I have to admit some surprise as to how low Matt light was ranked for pass protection - I guessed he would be a liability in run blocking.

    Its no great surprise to see Koppen down at #18 as far as centre's go - this would be an area I hope we can upgrade this year - I don't think his chemistry with Brady is worth taking the hit his lack of athletic ability of now causing us.
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    By those stats Neal, Vollmer, and Mankins were the Pats' only above-mediocre OL last season.
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    Doesn't really surprise me. I always thought the commonly accepted view on Neal was that he was a VERY good guard, just can't always be relied upon to stay on the field.
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    I'm as big a fan of Neal as anybody, but that's the site that claims Matt Roth and Aaron Kampman had better seasons at 3-4 OLB than Elvis Dumervil.

    I'm skeptical about every one of their lists.
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    if this method of analysis is correct, kelley washington is better than randy moss


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    garrard is way better than Brady, those lists are spot on
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    Koppen looks really bad in this analysis.
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    Neal is a very agile, physical guard. Pats think so too. When he is out there, IMO the running game seems better.
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    its never been about neal's ability as a player.......he's been awesome to watch......

    but he's broken down......they may get lucky to get another year out of him, maybe even 2.....maybe they will platoon him with his heir apparent
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    I always take this kind of analysis with a grain of salt, but I thought Koppen played poorly at times last season, and had begun to struggle the season before. Heck, he, Mankins & Hochstein were the reason we lost SB42, even more than the half-dozen fluke plays that undid us on that final drive.
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    Actually, if you sort by passing then Moss is better. Kelley gets some boost from running (?), blocking, etc, so it pushes his overall up. I think the problem with that is it simply ADDS the numbers together, instead of weighting it, so that a WR gets more credit for being good at his primary job, receiving.
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    it likely misses out on overall productivity, also
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    No question. I was shocked to hear his commentary that is body feels, "pretty good". I guess if I was paid $4m, I'd find a way to feel good too.
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    I'm not convinced that this rating system is valuable in measuring players from different teams against each other over a full season. However, looking at some of the details is very interesting indeed. For example, drilling into each player you see their performance from week to week. Kaczur, for example, had that very bad day when he got abused by Mathis and another one against Peppers. There's really an incredible amount of information on this site, including which players were on the field for each play of each game and where they lined up.
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