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    NBC Apologizes For Omitting 'Under God' From Pledge Of Allegiance (VIDEO)

    NBC apologized after the network twice omitted the words "under God" from a clip of students reciting the Pledge of Allegiance as part of its coverage of the U.S. Open.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/19/nbc-us-open-under-god_n_880114.html

    If anyone doesn't think that that wasn't purposely done then they're crazy....and they had to know it would upset people.
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    I was just about to post this, beat me to it. I googled the pledge for some reason, and found the history of it, interesting.

    The Pledge of Allegiance

    The "under God" was added in 54 by Eisenhower because of the threat of Communism. Probably a thank is due to Joseph McCarthy who started his Communist threat in the early 50's. Then, we started putting our hands on our hearts instead of saluting the flag as it looked to much like Hitler. Oh yea, the pledge was written by a Socialist.
    The editing is weird. Hey, let's take the Pledge of Allegiance, which children are reciting to honor an event held in our nation's capital, and cut out the part about "under God". Obviously, someone with power and an opinion.
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    Yes and this is all great material for debate on it's place in the peldge but NBC can't pretend they don't have an agenda with this.
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    If we collectively decided as a NATION to drop "Under God", it wouldn't bother me. However, when someone working for a network does it purposefully, it can only reflect arrogance that slaps Americans in the face.
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    If it was the right thing to do then they shouldn't apologize. If it was the wrong thing to do, then the person(s) who decided to do it should be fired, and that should be mentioned in the apology.

    Then we can all move on from it.
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    It wasn't even an apology for editing it out, it was an apology to "those of you who were offended by it"(as if that were a small, unintended number).

    They said what they meant and they meant what they said in the video
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    I'm an American. It doesn't slap me in the face at all. My face feels completely un-slapped. In fact, my face has never felt less slapped than it does today.

    I don't need a "pledge" made up by fools who try to test my patriotism. The same fools have routinely used their pledge to elevate their own concept of patriotism and to make themselves appear more religious and therefor (oddly), more patriotic than the guy next to them or, more importantly, the guy they're running against. The pledge has been used by others who want to push their religulous agendas. Folks like Billy Graham, the Knights of Columbus, George Docherty and (much to my disappointment) Ike used the God clause to make America distinguishable from the CCCP and themselves less communist than their more athiestic, not-so-patriotic colleagues.

    Edit for a link:
    http://www.slate.com/id/2067499/
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    Then we should demand that NBC explain WHY they did it. My guess is that the number who were offended is far greater than those who weren't.
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    I agree with that and would strongly object to it if I knew that I was passing some kind of a test. That said there is nothing wrong with freely reciting it either if you choose

    If NBC is on a pledge crusade then they should come out and state their case the way you did.....not try and sneak it in there subliminally and then hide behind hollow apologies. Cowards
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    You're feelings aren't the relevant factor here Wistah. As you know, we have one official pledge of allegiance and if a network thinks they have a right to edit it, they're wrong...plain & simpe.

    They do not have that right and they owe all of an explanation as to why they did it.

    End of story.
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    God Damn God
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    These are the same folks who fly tattered flags all night in the rain or have tattered flags flying from their car windows, violations of the flag code...

    This is no big deal, if people think that is was an effort at indoctrination than the persons who may be indoctrinated had to have been a imbeciles...
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    This is no big deal, except for those who need a big deal to make their day pass by.. or for those who need a faux outrage of the day.
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    Let us start off by presenting the fact that any "outrage" I have is as valid as any you may have...no?

    Now, INDIVIDUAL citizens often fly tattered flags in the rain, etc. because they have that choice as an individual. NBC does not have the right to present our OFFICIAL pledge of allegiance to their viewers any way they see fit.

    NBC doesn't have the right to make a political statement (no matter how stupid it may be) through the use of an edited version of the pledge of allegiance.

    Just as no public school has the right to change the pledge. Of course, idividual students have the right to recite any version they please, I have no issue with individual choice.

    The issue here is NBC's editing of the pledge. it is also the only issue here. You may bring up other fringe issues, but we are discussing NBC's blatant & purposeful editing of our official pledge.
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    You are making my point.. it is no big deal. Just another faux outrage of the day that causes the right to get their depends in a bunch... the complicated answer, do not watch NBC...
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    The intentional omission by NBC is worthy of discussion in my opinion. Maybe a discussion is what they wanted to start. They should have had the balls to admit that. If they're going to go around editing official stuff they don't like then they should own up to it. That's what upsets me.
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    You declared "end of story" in offering your opinion, yet you're acting as if darryl was preventing you from having or sharing an opinion? :confused:

    Straightforward question: are you truly upset by this?

    For you and anybody else who is upset with NBC, while NBC obviously is responsible in the end, it's not clear who actually did this. For all we know it was an editor, and that's as far as it went. There's not necessarily some "agenda" that came from the top. And if it did come from the top, that would be interesting, since (according to wikipedia, anyway) the CEO is a Republican.

    I'm not sure why anybody would be upset, however. If you're upset because they altered the words, I kind of get that... but not really... because, in the end, so what? Do you also get upset when the entire anthem isn't sung, or when god bless america is sung instead of the anthem? Or is it that those 2 particular words were omitted -- in which case, again, I'm left wondering why that would offend. (This is addressed to anybody, btw, not just you, PR.)

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    wistah, I'm with you on this. A pledge isn't needed to make somebody patriotic, and the words "under god" aren't needed in any pledge.
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    Find it hard to believe that our founding fathers would wanted any pledge to include "under god"...
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    Actually, if there had been a pledge I could have easily seen them including those words, as many writings at the time invoked god in some way. Of course, it was a very different time, and many of the founding fathers were far from religious when compared with many of their peers even thought they did refer to god regularly.

    What is far less likely is that they would have wanted any pledge of allegiance to a flag of the United States -- which is demonstrated most simply by the fact that (to my knowledge) they didn't write one, and that the pledge wasn't adopted until more than a century later (late 1800s or early 1900s?), I think.
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    well..... considering the fact that the word 'god' exists in the very first sentence of the declaration of independence, and that the 2nd sentence has 'creator', I'd say you are wrong..
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    We all know what NBC is, they are far worse than FOX in their Bias, the only way to handle NBC is to ignore them, that seems to be exactly what the people are doing considering their ratings.

    F-ck NBC the only audiance they have are a few dip sh!t liberals and a few people like my wife who thinks Harry Truman is still the president.

    Check the ratings.
    God Willing
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    "If" NBC purposefully edited the pledge, then I am upset. If they didn't, oh well.

    If some singer purposefully changed the words of our national anthem, of course I'd be upset. No one who is given the privelage of singing our anthem has the right to change the words. But if they sing it "their way" and change the notes, I could care less.

    It's about respect for your country and to your fellow Americans. Do I feel more patriotic and do I have a much stronger allegiance to the United States of America than I do for any other nation? Of course I do.
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    Saying "Nature's God" and saying "under god" are two completely different, distinct things.. that Deism once again raises its head.

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    I wasn't offended by it. I was confused as to why they would do it. From your post, you sound like there is a momentus reaction to it. There wasn't. I think a sampling from this website is a good indication of the range of outrage that it brought. We even have a post bringing up our Founding Fathers which is a little strange since "under God" was added in 1954, which is why I pointed it out in my post.
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    Not even close to "End of story" ...and my "feelings" ARE the relevant factor here. This is a political discussion forum. Your "feelings" are actually less valid here than mine, because they are just that...feelings. Mine is more of a point of view that is inherently devoid of feelings.

    END OF STORY!:rocker:

    NBC has every right to do what they want with the pledge. They owe no explaination if that is going to be their policy. There is no law stating that the "Pledge" must be done properly any more than there is a law saying you can't fly a tattered flag in a hurricane. They are unenforceable codes. They mean nothing more than the intent of the person involved. You have the right to not like how someone is treating the flag or reciting "the Pledge", but no one is bound by any law to somehow explain themselves. The pledge is about as valid as God Bless America. Actually, it is less valid because they don't change the words of God Bless America to suit the current political climate. If you want God mentioned 20 times an hour, watch FOX.
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    It was intentional. Whether the higher ups did it, or the editor, is anyone's guess.

    While some of you don't feel insulted, many more do.

    NBC is as liberal left as it gets. Well, maybe not as far left as CBS. So this shouldn't surprise people.
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    why? isn't it the same god?
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    Stupid move by NBC but I don't see any laws broken. I'm sure Hannity will be all over this tonight. It's right in his wheelhouse.
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    I don't think anyone meant the use of the term "right" as in one's actual legal rights. For example the legal "right" to go one someone's property versus not having the "right" to criticize my x, y, z. NBC has the legal "right" to let Brian Williams bust out an american flag and urinate on it during a broadcast as far as I know, although I'd advise them against it.

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