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    Even if I think Tom is with Peyton the best QB duo of this decade, I think it is exagerated to make him the best ever.

    Too much hype.... imo...

    But compliments are always better than insults... so I will take it.
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    Yeah I agree, it's a little much. It's more fickle sensationalist media. But it's fickle sensationalist in a good way, so I'll take it.:D
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    Right now its a tie between Peyton and Brady as best QB like it has been for years now.

    Both are HOFers and both are the best in the business by far.

    When all is said and done for these two guys whoever holds most SB trophies will be in my mind be the better of the two despite stats that Manning will have over Brady.

    Brady does have a 2 SB champ edge but theres no doubt Peyton has what it takes to win a few more in the next few years as well - so the debate goes on till both call it quits.
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    Former local sportswriter gone national remorse. Tom picked the 'Boys 21-20. He'll probably turtle again before November 4th. His mentor Peter King, who reportedly helped him land the job at MSNBC will find a way to erode his unabashed confidence in Tommy Boy and his HC the Belicheater. ;)
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    Now that BB knows what Tommy can do with elite weapons, Manning may not retain the stats edge in a lot of categories. He had a 3 year head start on Tommy and has had elite weapons for most of that time. Tommy is a couple of years younger and could be around long enough to render any gap negligible. Then it will all come down to the rings. And Brady won the first 3 of his with a smoke and mirrors offense comparatively speaking.
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    Well you could say that Manning in the early years of his career had Jim Mora as HC :eek:
    While Brady has had Belichick to play for so far all career

    So in reality the edges are kind of equal.
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    what's too much?

    everything ;the guy said is the truth.

    Brady won 3 superbowls with used car salesmen as his offensive weapons.
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    Debbie Downer:mad: :(
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    The author isn't some "guy". It's Tom Curran.
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    who said it was "some 'guy'"?
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    No question in my mind that Tom Brady is the best QB in the game NOW.
    Tom finally has the weapons and he is blowing the doors off the record books!
    Don't be surprised if he breaks Peyton's TD record this year!

    This comparison is really no comparison imo, it's like comparing Russell to Chamberlain. Chamberlain was a freak and a hall of fame player but Russell was on another level, he was the key building block of a DYNASTY. That's what I see when I see Tom Brady. I see the Patriots Dynasty. Peyton Manning is a freak of an individual player, he is Chamberlain-like in that respect, but I don't see him having the ability to elevate his entire team by himself alone. Tom Brady has done much more with much less supporting talent. Manning has always had the all pro supporting cast before (edge/harrison, harrison/wayne/addai). Tom Brady finally got his weapons this season, and he is going to break records with them, he already has broken a couple to date. (highest completion percentage for first 100 passes, and 6 3 td games to start the year, as well as tying a record with 5 td passes in 1 game).

    A few years from now when Brady has 6 or 7 rings on his fingers we're going to say that Tom Brady was to football what Michael Jordan was to basketball, the BEST that we've ever seen play the game.

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    I wrote that because I've had it with the media. It has nothing to do with Brady,or the team. I think they'll beat Miami. But I get a chance to watch,listen,and read alot of what the sports media says,and everything is the flavor of the month,week,even day.Last year Miami was going to the SB, over the last 6-7 years the media was still kissing B Farves azz even though he hadn't done anything in tenn years. Thn they said he sucked and should retire ,now he's great again. In a month if Favre comes back down to earth the media will say see you told you he sucked etc.etc.etc
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    hahah I completely agree, I was just kidding. That's why I said it was more "fickle sensationalist media." I like this article but next week it'll be about Brett bid kid Favre again and the Saints being great again because they won today. My favorite example of this was the moral high ground that Shaughnessy and those other clowns claimed the Patriots had and then squandered hypocritically when they traded for Moss. So they invent this image, then claim that the team has defiled it when they trade for one of the top 3 players ever to play for them. Hilarious.
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    Except Mora didn't have an adverse impace on Manning's prolific development - in fact they are still running his offense 6 years later and only just began to tweek it last year. Remember, Dungy's offense in Tampa was ball control. If he'd had Dungy for all 9 years they'd probably both be toiling somewhere else today...

    Belichick likely cost Brady over the first 6 seasons as the focus remained on defense, but Brady covered that for him by consistently accomplishing more with less on offense.
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    6 or 7 Rings in the next few years?

    Do you realize that means this team has to not only win this year but be the best of the other 31 teams in 3 or 4 of the next 7 years?

    Now THAT spells H-O-M-E-R - and a bit on the dreaming side I think ;)

    The only way Brady gets 7 rings is if the NFL puts a halt to the cap and we spend as much as we can like such as a guy like Steinbrenner in baseball (who by the way has the best players every year and still has not won anything lately) - You must think winning the Super Bowl in this era is as easy as pie,sure we won 3 of 6 but that era is over,I will be glad to win this year and worry about the future later.
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    Better yet if next week P Manning throws for 440 yards,and 6 td the same writer will say Mannings better. I've seen theses guys do this for to long to take what they say seriously anymore.
    I just went back and read who wrote the piece. T Curran whom I respect. I'm sure you all have heard look before you leap,well I should have looked before I wrote. I don't see Curran as a flavor of the month reporter. My Bad.
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    Disagree. If we win this year and keep the team intact we need 2 more rings. We've been defying the cap for the past 7 years so why could Pioli/BB/Kraft keep it up. It might be a little greedy, but to say it's impossible is a bit much. Look how many years Brady still has ahead of him. Montana et. al. couldn't say that after his 3rd.
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    I've only been watching football since 92 and I have to say that Brady is the best QB i've ever seen read a defense.
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    Manning's record setting season of 2004 came in his SEVENTH season.

    This year, 2007, is Brady's SEVENTH season as a starting quarterback.

    I don't know how these two are considered equal. Brady has made a career out of succeeding with relatively little talent on the offensive side of the ball. He's able to make the players around him better.

    Manning is a great player but he's ALWAYS been surrounded by Hall of Fame talent on the offensive side of the ball.

    Despite these differences, Brady's won three Super Bowls and Manning has won just one.

    We very well may be witnessing the two very best QB's to ever play the game. But at this point, it seems pretty clear who's #1 and who's #2.

    This debate and their respective careers kind of reminds me of the preseason college polls. One team starts the year ranked #1 and the other is unranked. Then the unranked team goes into the top ranked teams building and spanks them.

    Yet, when next set of polls come out, we see that the former top ranked team is now ranked #12 and the team that just spanked them on their home field is somehow ranked a few spots behind, say #14.

    So it is with Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. Manning was the #1 pick in the draft with the family pedigree. He was fitted for a crown before he ever played a game in this league. Ever since he got here, people have been searching for justification to call him the greatest.

    Brady, meanwhile, came into the league with absolutely no fanfare. He was a unknown 6th round draft pick and he's been fighting an uphill battle for respect since day 1. Ever since he got here, people have been searching for justification to belittle his achievements. Labeling him nothing more than a system quarterback or calling him a fluke.
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    I will still stick with Montana as the smartest QB ever and it will take Brady several more great years before I can put him above his idol

    Brady is a superb QB and 'arguably by some' the best of this decade but still Montana was unbelievable in reading defenses - Montana to Rice was almost unfair to have as a combo for 10 years,you could have put blindfolds on each player and the pass would have been completed despeite any defensive formation presented.
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    Brady actually threw 7 TDs today. Only 5 counted.
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    You are acting like BB didn't know Brady would be better with more weapons. I am certain he did. But in past years he also believed that paying the relatively high cost of A-level WRs would cut into the defense and overall depth too much. The Pats have been up against the cap for years.

    But this year is a transitional year between the economics of the old CBA and the new one, and salary cap room is termporarily available for the league as a whole and the Pats in particular. Combine that with the fact he could get top WRs at a discount price and it was a no-brainer this year. Keeping anywhere close to the same level of talent next year and thereafter will be MUCH MUCH more difficult. The offensive talent next year will likely be closer to that of two years ago than this year.
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    Don't get mad just because the Brady vs Peyton and Russell vs Chamberlain is such an apt comparison.

    In what way is it unrealistic to project 6 or 7 championships at the end of Tom Brady's career?
    He already has 3 rings in his collection.
    And the Pats look to be grabbing #4 this year.
    Are you Dionne Warwicke or do you just happen to have a crystal ball that showed you that it is impossible for Brady and the Patriots to win 2 or 3 more times after 2007 is over?

    Like I said Brady will be to football what Michael Jordan was to basketball. Sometimes when you see history in the making you just sense it. Or, if you're Patriots64, you deny what's happening and give your best impersonation of Ron Borges! :D

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    Actually didn't I read somewhere on here in the past few weeks that Montana was recentely interviewed and even he said he thought Brady was a better QB then he was.

    Granted, he's a humble guy and might not really feel that way, but still, that's some pretty high praise and I'm sure it means a hell of a lot more then when some blow hard media guy says it.
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    The funny part is, Fred Coleman is probably doing just that. Selling used cars. :eek:
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    Uh, no. At least one of the guys had to have his eyes open to read the defense. :)

    On the other hand, they once practiced in front of witnesses with Montana blindfolded (and Rice presumably undefended), and Montana did hit Rice in stride ...
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    I don't think he did. He knew Brady could do enough with less, he now knows that in Brady's hands the best defense may be a great offense.

    And they really haven't been all that up against it for a couple of years. And they won't be in the forseeable future the way they've managed the cap. We rolled money forward last year and will again this year. Thereafter Brady will be due for an extension and restructure that will keep his cap manageable through retirement because he still cares more about winning and legacy than money. He can make more money off the field than on if he wants or needs to. With Colvin due for restructure, as well as Rodney if he's back, and Asante either extended at a team friendly rate or gone, there will be plenty of money to keep Moss and Stallworth once his deal is restructured.

    Brady's 30 now and Bill isn't going to waste any more time. He saw how close his under talented team got in 2006 and I think he vowed he would never shortchange them all that way again. I think they'll have about $18M or more to work with when the dust settles, and I think Moss and Stallworth will play ball to keep playing with Brady. And I think more than ever you will see ringless veterans again wanting to sign on for a campaign or two.
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    rings
    7 is unrealistic
    6 is improbable
    5 is the number that will vault brady over montana and bradshaw and i suspect he has his sights set on
    4 is the only 1 i care about right now.

    touchdown passes
    50 aint gonna happen
    marino-48 played in warm weather
    manning -49 plays indoors (*****)
    brady 21 and counting, still has to deal w/foxboro in december
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