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Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist

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    This is absolutely disturbing. Whoever feels it neccessary to brings these HEROES up on charges should be ashamed of themselves. I am so disgusted by this story. These brave men who put their lives on the line to keep this country free are being treated the same way by some people in this country as the scumbag terrorists who murdered 3000 innocent people. I am absolutely scared at where this country is going if this is how the true heroes of this country are treated. We are making the jobs of these people nearly impossible by treating them this way. Basically, we are letting the terrorist win.

    Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist - Iraq | War | Map - FOXNews.com

    Navy SEALs have secretly captured one of the most wanted terrorists in Iraq — the alleged mastermind of the murder and mutilation of four Blackwater USA security guards in Fallujah in 2004. And three of the SEALs who captured him are now facing criminal charges, sources told FoxNews.com.

    The three, all members of the Navy's elite commando unit, have refused non-judicial punishment — called an admiral's mast — and have requested a trial by court-martial.

    Ahmed Hashim Abed, whom the military code-named "Objective Amber," told investigators he was punched by his captors — and he had the bloody lip to prove it.

    Now, instead of being lauded for bringing to justice a high-value target, three of the SEAL commandos, all enlisted, face assault charges and have retained lawyers.

    Matthew McCabe, a Special Operations Petty Officer Second Class (SO-2), is facing three charges: dereliction of performance of duty for willfully failing to safeguard a detainee, making a false official statement, and assault.

    Petty Officer Jonathan Keefe, SO-2, is facing charges of dereliction of performance of duty and making a false official statement.

    Petty Officer Julio Huertas, SO-1, faces those same charges and an additional charge of impediment of an investigation

    The three SEALs will be arraigned separately on Dec. 7. Another three SEALs — two officers and an enlisted sailor — have been identified by investigators as witnesses but have not been charged.

    FoxNews.com obtained the official handwritten statement from one of the three witnesses given on Sept. 3, hours after Abed was captured and still being held at the SEAL base at Camp Baharia. He was later taken to a cell in the U.S.-operated Green Zone in Baghdad.

    The SEAL told investigators he had showered after the mission, gone to the kitchen and then decided to look in on the detainee.

    "I gave the detainee a glance over and then left," the SEAL wrote. "I did not notice anything wrong with the detainee and he appeared in good health."

    Lt. Col. Holly Silkman, spokeswoman for the special operations component of U.S. Central Command, confirmed Tuesday to FoxNews.com that three SEALs have been charged in connection with the capture of a detainee. She said their court martial is scheduled for January.

    United States Central Command declined to discuss the detainee, but a legal source told FoxNews.com that the detainee was turned over to Iraqi authorities, to whom he made the abuse complaints. He was then returned to American custody. The SEAL leader reported the charge up the chain of command, and an investigation ensued.

    The source said intelligence briefings provided to the SEALs stated that "Objective Amber" planned the 2004 Fallujah ambush, and "they had been tracking this guy for some time."

    The Fallujah atrocity came to symbolize the brutality of the enemy in Iraq and the degree to which a homegrown insurgency was extending its grip over Iraq.

    The four Blackwater agents were transporting supplies for a catering company when they were ambushed and killed by gunfire and grenades. Insurgents burned the bodies and dragged them through the city. They hanged two of the bodies on a bridge over the Euphrates River for the world press to photograph.

    Intelligence sources identified Abed as the ringleader, but he had evaded capture until September.

    The military is sensitive to charges of detainee abuse highlighted in the Abu Ghraib prison scandal. The Navy charged four SEALs with abuse in 2004 in connection with detainee treatment
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    How can we do this to our heroes? I'm not even outraged anymore, just saddened immensely by this. I hope they are cleared of this immediately. People do not understand that this is a war zone they ran their mission in. For the target to come out with only a bloody lip and complain about this is ludicrous.

    The irony of this is beyond my comprehension. He kidnapped, tortured, and killed 4 people, and he complains about a bloody lip. I sincerely hope no one on this board would actually support this terrorist...
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    I give this thread only a few more posts before this somehow gets spun into mentioning the word 'Obama' or 'liberal' ....
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    Have to wonder if there is more to this story... does not sound right..
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    The hypocrisy of this just sickens me. Something's very wrong, I dunno but I don't feel real good about the trend of things lately when it comes to the treatment of our military.

    The Navy SEALS will respond, I'm sure of it. As an American citizen I'm FAR more embarrassed by our treatment of these guys than I am by some high value target's fat lip.

    Where's an apology when you need one.
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    They refused Admirals mast (non judicial punishment) and opted for Court Marshal, they wanted this out in the open. I amazed they took the word of this savage. Perhaps he was punched when apprehended. He shold be thankful they did torture him, mutilate his body, murder him, themn burn his body and hang it from a bridge like he did to the Blackwater guys.
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    You guys are so easily lead. Without knowing any of the facts of the matter you've already trotted out the OMG HEROES111 tripe.
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    Navy Times confirms the story... not sure if they are regurgitating the Fox News Story.. wonder if the seriousness has to do with the cover up,i.e. the false official statement??? Without regard there has to be more than a he said, he said case...

    SEALs charged in alleged assault of detainee - Navy News, news from Iraq - Navy Times

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    This is why the NYC trial is going to be bad news. Imagine what that particular collective will have to say, and if we're punishing our elite forces for supposedly giving out fat lips then....well, do the math.
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    Dereliction of duty, false official statement and impeding an investigation are a lot more than a fat lip.

    But it's always morally convenient to just call your guys heroes ant the other guys savages and not bother with learning the facts, isn't it?
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    I don't know all the facts apple but here's what I DO know; who the hell am I to judge their behavior? I've personally never walked in their shoes, have you? Talk to me when you have, until then why don't you have the common courtesy to zip yourself.
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    That's a big fat bullsh1t excuse. It must be nice thinking that there are 2 standards of justice (and I'm not talking military vs. civilian).
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    #87 Jersey


    You were punished a lot as a kid ... without a trial I bet.
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    Not really.
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    Apple has most likely never been in the same zip code as a military recruiting station. He can sit carp and judge cause these guys keep safe and blissfully unaware of it.
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    I've got cops and veterans throughout my family, so you're wrong again. What was that I said the other day about you having at least one factual error in every post? Yeah.
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    I was talking about you not your family. :singing:
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    So if you've never set foot in a climate research lab you have no right to comment on scientists? Is that really what you are saying? Because if so, you're going to have to stop posting completely. You're as easy as State was.
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    Is anyone suprised that Apple Strudel would take the side of the terrorist
    over the Navy Seal???
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    AS is our resident legal beagle ... say one wrong thing and he'll devour you
    ... guy is wound way too tight ... wonder what he does for fun ... read law books sideways?
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    You have been listening to Fox too long, the reality is that the coverup is often worse than the offense.. they were offered "Captains Mast", but chose to go the Court Martial Route.. the way the military is supposed to work, is that you cannot look the other way.. if you see something wrong you need to report it.

    Here are the details of Article 15... of the Uniform Code of Military Justice...

    Uniform Code of Military Justice
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    Neither were any of these people... but they all seem to have a lot to say about what we should do and what our pols should do...

    Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
    George Pataki: did not serve.
    Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
    Rick Santorum: did not serve.
    Trent Lott: did not serve.
    Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.
    John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
    Jeb Bush: did not serve.
    Karl Rove: did not serve.
    Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked Max Cleland's patriotism.
    Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
    Vin Weber: did not serve.
    Richard Perle: did not serve.
    Douglas Feith: did not serve.
    Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
    Richard Shelby: did not serve.
    Jon Kyl: did not serve.
    Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
    Christopher Cox: did not serve.
    Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
    George W. Bush: six-year Nat'l Guard commitment (incomplete).
    Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making movies
    Sean Hannity: did not serve.
    Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')
    Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
    Michael Savage: did not serve.
    George Will: did not serve.
    Chris Matthews: did not serve.
    Paul Gigot: did not serve.
    Bill Bennett: did not serve.
    Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
    Bill Kristol: did not serve.
    Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
    Michael Medved: did not serve.
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    Well at least he doesn't troll messageboards like you. Its one thing if a troll is like 12, but I'm under the impression that you're a bit older.

    I've never served yet I still know you can't beat up on defenseless people and then lie about it and call yourself a good soldier. If that's what happened then I'm afraid these guys need to be punished and if their actions hindered getting this terrorist scum convicted they need to be punished a lot.
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    We shouldn't be surprised and things will only get worse, the big one will be This Administrations "CIRCUS TRIAL" in NYC, the 9/11 savage's will be turned into World Wide Hero's the Middle East will once more Dance In The Streets in memory of the 3000 innocent human beings who were slaughtered on 9/11.

    Sad Disgusting Sh!t going on in America today.
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    Without knowing anything about what happened other than what FOX news is reporting and bloggers are picking up it's hard to say exactly what's going on.

    What's interesting is that most of those who are rallying for the SEALs are the same ones who are screaming "off with their heads" at senators and congressemen and various lawyers running for public office based on poor job performance or private sins.

    Why is it that you expect some people to do their jobs perfectly or face the consequences and yet you do not expect these 3 SEALS to have done the same thing?

    Make no mistake, being a member of an armed forces is a job - with pay and benefits and rules and regulations.

    If every other human being on earth is expected to follow whatever rules and regulations are set forth by their job description why not these guys?

    What they're being charged with is violating the rules - why shouldn't they be held responsible if they did so?
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    I really hope you are not doing what it looks like you are. But I really hope you are not trying to compare the actions of a terrorist to the actions of a navy seal. But I hate to break the news to you, but the Seals are heroes. Any person who puts his life on the line to save another, I consider that a hero. And the man that the Seals captured, is a savage. Deciding to kill someone simply because they are an American and in your country is bad enough. But to then burn his body beyond recognition, drag them throughout the streets and then hang it up on a bridge for the world to see is the acts of a savage. You are an embarressment and utterly shameless to think otherwise. But in order to be fair, I invite you to give me your examples of a hero and savage. And then tell me what you feel specifically about the 3 seal member and the terrorist they captured.
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    Lot more just like him out there, we even have some in Congress.
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    LOL, even more predictably you've trotted out on your white horse to marginalize any support or benefit of the doubt for the Navy Seals. You are my hero Strudel:rolleyes:
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    God Damn America
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    Step back from the hysterical edge, the more I read it looks more and more like they beat the guy, good... but then they could not get their stories straight, that is where the real liability comes in... also wonder if someone "rolled over on them"... no court of law wants to get into a he said, he said with a Seal vs. a terrorist...

    Parallel this to the victimization by the priests in the catholic church, what they did individually was criminally, but the greatest liablity was by the leaders who looked the other way and attempted to minimize the events...

    The greatest sins are often sins of ommission, rather than sins of commission..

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