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    23. New England Patriots: Brian Cushing, OLB, USC

    Cushing is the type of versatile athlete the Patriots crave. He has the shown an ability to not only get after the passer but can also hold the edge and contain the run game. He lacks great upside, but Cushing is a smart, instinctive defender who will fit right in with the Patriots' dynamic 3-4 defense.

    The National Football Post | 2009 NFP Mock Draft

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    Love the pick and wouldn't mind seeing them grab his teammate Clay Matthews with their second rounder. :)
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    That would be a solid pick. It's interesting that they didn't have William Moore going in the first round. I would be ecstatic if Moore fell in our lap. Moore is a ball-hawking safety that is also great in run support. He also fills a more immediate need IMO.
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    i would take either one. Cushing looked good in the rose bowl.
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    I'm not on the Cushing bandwagon. I think he's stiff, looks too bulked up, makes me worry about steroids. Don't like his instincts or mobility. Didn't look good for USC when he played ILB in Rey's absence.

    National Football Post lists Sean Smith (mislabelled as "Steve Smith"), CB/S from Utah, going #26 to Baltimore. Smith is 6'3" 210# and could play either CB (wouldn't it be nice to have one over 5'10") or S. He might be an alternative to William Moore. A lot of drafts have Moore going top 15, and a lot have him going 2nd round right now. The senior bowl, combine and workouts will tell a lot about who's right, but I could see either Moore or Sean Smith being a solid pick at #23.
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    Cushing is a logical pick, I'm sure we'll be seeing him on plenty of mocks. But USC front-7 guys make me awfully queasy.
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    Why? The last two USC LBs to get drafted in the first round were Keith Rivers & Lofa Tatupu. Rivers looked great pre-injury (and got the lone other DROY vote) and Tatupu is obviously a top talent as well.
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    Mocks in general are based on team needs and consensus rankings. The problem with early mocks is that they're working with early rankings. Difficult at this time to accurately predict who will actually be hovering around #23 on draft day.

    I will say if I had to choose between Sintim and Cushing with our first pick, I'd go with the Groh-coached player.
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    Actually Tatupu was a second rounder (but it doesn't matter), Cushing is ok (often injured) but I prefer a CB in the first round (like D.J. Moore from Vanderbilt) and Connor Baldwin in the second
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    I'd rather take a flier on Brian Toal or Gerald McRath later in the draft instead of reaching for this guy.
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    I'd rather see them get DB help in the first and pick up Matthews in the second. DE-FENSE! :horn:
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    I asked around about Clay Matthews being the real deal but never did get any answer. This season there were times he looked better than his other more talented linebacker mates, didn't he? He has good bloodlines and is also a senior which might help him adjust quicker to the NFL game.
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    cushing translates to the inside in an NFL 3-4..........he dents easily and will struggle to cover NFL TE's'
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    BB coached his dad in Cleveland, FWIW.
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    Bobby Carpenter #2?????
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    is it me, or is USC's defense often greater on the whole than its individual parts? Not that they're mediocre athletes or anything, it's just that the swarming, crazy-good USC D that suffocates opponents seems to raise the draft stock of individuals who don't quite live up to that level (which would be very hard to do).

    Carroll deserves credit as a D coach, I think. He definitely gets me pumped. :)
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    I was particularly struck by this pick in the NFP mock:

    A lot of folks here have dismissed the idea of Cassel to San Francisco because Shaun Hill came on nicely late in the season. But if they are thinking QB as the NFP suggests, Cassel is a far safer bet than a junior with only one full season of college starting experience. And for a franchise still smarting from the Alex Smith fiasco, safe sounds pretty good.

    (OTOH, the last sentence about SF fans welcoming a USC "hometown favorite" is ludicrous. Northern Californians hate USC.)
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    It's not just you...that's exactly what I meant about USC defenders making me nervous. Essentially every guy on that field is a day-1 type athlete. Some of them will doubtless go on to great pro success, but others are having their weaknesses camouflaged very effectively.
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    I wish draftniks would give more consideration to the supporting cast that some of these prospects play next to. Any individual from the So Cal D this draft is surrounded by solid athletes with all star credentials. Does this fact influence their play and affect their draft status? This doesn't mean none of the SC players will succeed in the pros, just that considering the whole is necessary when analyzing the individual. OTOH, productive prospects w/ a weak supporting cast speaks volumes for that individual. FWIW, this consideration comes straight from Belichick, as being one of several factors to consider when evaluating prospects. A better example would be the WR position. Is the high production of the WR assisted by a talented QB, strong running game, and solid O-line blocking? Just one of many factors to ponder while we await the all-important Senior Bowl week and Combine measurables, etc. :cool3:
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    What? I do not see it. He translates into an OLB in a 3-4.
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    If you look at just him, I would rate him as a 6th rounder. He is more motor than skill, but he does have experience on ST.

    However because he played for USC, it is real easy to see someone over drafting this kid, 3rd or 4th round.
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    he doesn't have the strength to push or the speed to get around an OT in the NFL........on the inside, he has the size to take on OG's and might make a good complement to mayo, but not as a first rounder
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    So you think Matthews is only a 6th round talent? Why did he perform so well this year then? You're saying it was all the rest of the USC D and he didn't have much to do with his own success?
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    Great college ILBs often lack the physical tools to repeat that success in the NFL. Matthews has sky-high intangibles -- the drive, the leadership, born and bred into football -- but just serviceable athleticism. That's a guy you root hard for, but the typical path for that kind of player is NCAA star, NFL JAG, and future coach.
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    Cushing..."lacks great upside" yet the Pats are going to draft him in round one? Well, it filled column space anyway.
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    I'm not sure if you saw any USC games where Cushings played inside while Malalauga was hurt, but he looked pitiful on the inside. It was painful to watch.
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    I rate him based on what I saw of him on the field. He looked great chasing QB's and plays that went away from him. He struggled with anchoring and making plays when the opposing offense came at him.
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    He was thinner, but also pretty muscular when he first came to USC. He then injured his shoulder, and couldn't lift weights for a decent amount of time while rehabbing, and he was also in the process of adding weight in order to play DE/OLB. Since then, Cushing's had over 3 years in USC's strength and conditioning program, which is among the best in the country.

    Here's a photo of Cushing during his HS days:
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    Cushing OCT. '07
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    The funny thing here is that people initially pointed to Brian's HS photos, and that "moob" photo as proof he was using Roids in HS, and ballooned when he stopped. So, with his again looking like a physical specimen, he must be on roids?
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    I'm just seriously doubting that anyone could go from the picture on the left to the one on the right in a couple years without the use of enhancements.
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