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    PATSNUTme Paranoid Homer Moderator Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

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    They are very high on Ben Ijalama. They have us taking him at #28. I have him certainly as a Patriots prospect but not until the late 2nd or 3rd round. The have us taking JJ Watt at #17.

    But then many had Mayo as a late 2nd rounder at this stage.

    Good site with write ups when you click on the player name.

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    If Von Miller and Aldon Smith made it to 16 I'd seriously consider leapfrogging Jville. Clayborn would be 4th choice.

    Damn Cam Jordan for his fantastic performance.
     
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    Miller and Clayborn are both pretty poor scheme picks. I'd be all over Aldon at #13, though (he goes 15).
     
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    Give me a football player who can disrupt the passing game and tackle. I'll worry about scheme later.:)

    Seriously, they will pass on whoever we agree upon as a Patriots LB that fits all of Bills requirements anyway. And no, Mayo doesn't say hello. He is an ILB.
     
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    He could take Brooks Reed.
     
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    People have told me Clayborn doesn't fit what the Patriots do and I don't understand why. He played end in a 4-3 at 285 so he is not a dwarf or anything. We don't know if he can hold the point of attack or not. Has got some speed. Has probably the best hands in this draft for shedding tacklers. I'd be interested to see why he had such a sub par season with Iowa in 10'. If he would of came out as a junior he was a top 20 pick. I'm sure the Pats scouts will know more closer to April then we will if he is a Patriots player or not.
     
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    Clayborn is pretty much the perfect example of a tweener for the Pats system. His frame is pretty much maxed out, so he's not fitting the 15-30 pounds he needs to add to play DE. Combined with less than ideal length, it makes him a poor fit at DE. He doesn't have nearly enough speed for the OLB position and has the same length problems there as well.
     
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    Does he really see 367 players better than Jeremy Beal ?
     
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    Evidently his microsoft works wasn't working right for him and he did not drag him up by accident. Or he thinks this Beal is the next Ernest Shazor.

    Other noteables. Phil Taylor at 59? Ras I Dowling at 109?
     
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    You guys are looking at the wrong Grid: The one on the RIGHT is the Mock Draft.

    The one you're looking at ~ the one on the left ~ is just his Grading Scale.

    Look at the last column on the right, and you'll see what I mean.

    I'm pretty sure he's not recommending that Owen Marecic should go with the 21st pick in the Draft!! [​IMG]

    They, uh...REALLY need to work on how they present that, dontcha think?? [​IMG]
     
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    tuckeverlasting In the Starting Line-Up

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    i would like us to draft cameron jordan in the first and then jordan cameron in the fourth.
     
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    I agree. Watt is a nice player, but we have a much more urgent need for an outside pass rush. Smith and Miller are two players who I think could be an eventual upgrade over TBC in the pass rushing specialist role.
     
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    No matter if you agree or disagree with the rankings or the mock, the reports of the players are worth reading. Getting info on players is helpful at this stage, even if it does not conform to the majority opinions.

    Many sites have lists and mocks and nothing else. This one has in depth reports on the players,so it's worth reading.
     
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    I would say that after you read the report on Beal, this has to be a glitch in his system. Probably be corrected with his next update.
     
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    I agree, his site is great. At least we makes a stand and doesn't couch his ratings.

    Only thing you can do is constantly cross compare several sites and come up with your own rankings.

    This is my list of favorites, bookmark this page.
    http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...est-draft-research-resources.html#post2472363
     
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    I learned a lot about Miller in Mobile.

    First he is ubber sudden as a pass rusher and really violent with his hands.

    Second he has excellent change of direction and can cover really well. He looks like he could cover in a cover 3 and we play a cover 3 a lot.

    Third he gives good effort against the run but is going to be eaten alive in the NFL when teams run straight at him.

    However as a third down pass rusher, he is the ideal guy for our defense. But will BB ignore the gaping run stopping hole in his game?
     
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    I don't think you trade up for him. But, if he's there at 17. You have to consider him. It's pretty easy for these guys to put 15 lbs of muscle on once it becomes their job. So, 6-2 1/2 and 255lb isn't going to be too small. I'm sure we can improve his technique. Effort and motor aren't even in question. I know I've mentioned it before. But, his game against Oklahoma was as good a game as i've seen any defensive player have this year. Except for a couple by Fairley.
     
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    I don't think Miller's frame can sustain another 15 pounds without it seriously damaging his burst.

    Ideally if we took him, BB would work on improving his run stopping technique. But that would seriously damage his body and again destroy his burst.

    Clearly in our defense, his greatest value is as a pass rusher.
     
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    Give me a football player who can disrupt the passing game and tackle. I'll worry about scheme later.:) How true!!!!! We try to outthink BB. He brought Tully and Coleman who were both 6'2" and "not his scheme" and his best ILB Bruschi was shorter than Miller and only a few pounds heavier and he was an ILB. How much bigger is Gary Guyton than Von Miller? Not much.

    Cousins....we all remember that Arrington played DE and a few snaps this year and I though it was a pretty successful change of pace. I would suspect he was not a "scheme" guy either.

    I am not a big Aldon Smith fan but he has some talent scheme or not.
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    Coleman? You mean, Colvin?

    Anyway, TBC was a 7th-rounder, backup to Vrabel and situational pass-rush specialist. Colvin wasn't drafted. Bruschi wasn't drafted by BB - he was an accomplished veteran, Like McGinest, who BB "inherited". Guyton was a UDFA and plays ILB. Who knows why BB temporarily threw Arrington (another UDFA) in at "DE" late in the Indy game?

    And what does any of this have to do with BB spending a 1st round pick on a guy who doesn't fit his base scheme?
     
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