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    Pretty exciting weekend, wasn't it? Some interesting things to take a look at, and some very exciting prospects were added. This is gonna be a lengthy one, and one I have to do on my mobile, so please be understanding of what should be frequent typos.

    I think that I see some real objectives outlined by the Patriots in this draft, and from here on out I will switch over to the vernacular.

    1) We must become more tough, both physically and mentally.
    - McCourty really telegraphed this intent early. There were less physical players available when they were drafting. Indeed, likely more athletically gifted players were pretty abundant. What I love about McCourty is his incredible physicality and dedication to the team. He screams championship Patriot DB. Like many, I was a bit confused initially with the selection. After a bit of research, the selection made a ton of sense. I saw a highly agile, highly physical, highly competitive player. Then consider his fit in respect to the current DB's. Bodden and Butler both are of this ilk. Agressive, physical, highly agile guys who can flat out ball. They're going to be playing a lot of press this year, which is indicative of a more agressive concept with the front defenders.

    -Spikes. Thank you Dawkins, they drafted a Mike!!! This was the most critical, most overtly glaring weakness from the past few seasons. I say this because unlike pass rush, the Mike cannot be schemed to create. Spikes is a violent, big, vocal leader. Mayo is a prototypical Will, and now they have their prototypical Mike. The run game will improve tremendously, and Mayo will be able to utilize his pursuit ability now. For the first time since Ted Johnson I think the backers will out physical the interior Oline. The physicality of a defense is usually dictated by the Mike and SS. With Spikes and Chung now in place, I am geeking hard about the coming mentality of this defense.

    - Gronkowski you freakin meat stick, I love you. Meathead tight ends are on of the best things about football. Watch his run game use in AZ. Jet cracks, knocking the heads off of backers, burrying ends. The spread is killing the physicality of football, and it follows that it comes from the offense first. Gronkowski is great in the passing game, but his blocking is highly underrated. A physical TE can assert the will of an offense onto a spread defense. If strawman O'Brien can figure out motion blocking, this kid will be decleating backers. Especially those of a certain dome team known for the undersized pursuit defense.

    2) Add players who know how to win championships.
    - Consider the three Meyer recruits. All national champions. All SEC champions. All players who dealt with the pressure and challenges of complacency during their careers. All individuals who know how to focus and dedicate themselves to a singular pursuit. I love this thought process.

    - Cut Thomas. 'Nuff said.

    3) Create unity through restraint.
    - Belichick is building with his men. Screw Marshall, screw Tomlinson, screw Dansby, screw all the high priced free agents. Belichick has these men assembled because he knows they are good. He believes in them like they should believe in themselves. Have you guys read the papers? Apparently we're a team of underachieving scrubs and don't care about building areas of need. F*ck that, men. You in this room are the only ones who can help yourselves, and you're better than those prima donna pussies the others brought in. Football players are all about ego and galvanization. Give this to them with your actions and make them believe in you by showing how you believe in them.


    This team has the pieces in place and the clear iniative to regain their signature heart and toughness. What happens with them will happen, but the direction and iniative are clear. They are getting tougher, their pride is coming back, and they are everybit as pissed off as the rest of us. Can you feel it? The attitude is exuding from this team. For the first time in several years this team feels like the Patriots. And they're pissed off.
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    You're back! Awesome!
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    I can't wait for that game. The Colts just do not have anyone big enough to match up with him. That will be a 10/100 game for him, I guarantee you.
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    I also like the older vets who should be able to help the young guys. Crumpler for the TE, Holt for the younger WR. Even Mayo is a veteran enough now to help the young Floridian LB. I love the young kids but I really like the vets too, both the holdovers and the new guys.
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    damn dude, i was fine until i read this, now im pissed of too, lets destroy every oponent we face next year....not destroy by scoreboard, but destroy their wills
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    I agree 100%. The Patriots have become a bit soft over the years, not just physically but also mentally, and this year's draft went a long way towards fixing those problems.

    The Spikes pick was great because it will push Mayo to his more natural spot like you mentioned, so it really improves two positions on the D. Do you think Guyton could handle the transition to OLB, or do you envision him staying inside but more as a third down guy, assuming he can cover?
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    I really like Guton as a situational pass type. Think of him as Pfifer light. He's great to have as a sideline to sideline subpackage defender, and he is a great back coverage matchup with limited ability to apex out to the slot. He's also a guy who is capable of giving Mayo a few snaps off at the will in the 34.

    I don't see him as a 34 outside backer. I think he lacks the length, burst, and hand technique to play outside. I also think that adept TE's would eat him alive. Against the spread, he may fit with his ability to man up the gun (pistol, shotty) back, but it would be situational and would take an upfield guy off of the field. In my mind, Guyton is a very nice luxury to have, but not a starter. If he plays 15-25 snaps a game your defense is in good shape.
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    Just put my head through my wifes curio cabinet. I'm phsyched ,she;s pissed.
    Let the games begin
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    Nice post.
    Difference between 2001,2003,2004 Patriots
    and 2005,2006,2009 Patriots
    The first group played its best in the moist critical situations.
    The second group did not (consistently)

    Put 2007 into either group and either call them a mistake waiting to happen or 4 minutes of anomoly.
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    Nice read Jay!

    This team is definitely pissed off. They are going to be fun to watch again. That secondary is going to be nasty.
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    As usual, great thread, and great analysis. I think not only is this an optimistic post, but a very realistic one too. You are right, the ILB pick solved 2 birds with 1 stone, and as a whole the physicality should be back.

    You got your big TE you wanted in Gronkowski, and hopefully we can go back to using more 2 TE sets, while running and throwing to the TE too. I think this helps our predictability factor a bit too. I still think we work around our main offensive weapon in Brady, but more of a 'Favre' of last year, game managing Tom Brady. You are right, we had indeed lost our physicality, and these moves will ensure our competitiveness.

    I like the idea of Guyton playing a more limited specialty role, and think this could help play to his strengths more too.
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    Hells yeah... I'm half convinced already that Spikes and Gronk are going to become two of my favorite Pats. Great post jays, as usual.
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    Once Cunningham is ready, this could be a classic BB LB group -- big, nasty, quick to the play, smart ...

    ... and (one or two guys perhaps excepted) lousy in a track meet.
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    Rape.

    Pillage.

    Repeat.
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    man, i need a wall to run thru.
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    Best post of 2010 thus far. I am looking forward to the laying of the wood with this team. Reminds me of the good old days.:D
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    Great post Jay52, you are my type of guy, absolutely love that post.
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    Think the steelers already have that one and may have taken it a little too literally.

    I prefer the BB approach

    Do. Your. Job.

    Fantastic post Jays.
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    Fantastic Post..

    I agree that we need to have teams think about our physicality, and have another level of respect for our defense..

    Hopefully these guys will play 4 quarters...
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    Great post. Spikes, Gronk and Mesko will contribute from day 1. McCourty, Hernandez and Cunningham will improve as the year progresses and see their roles increase. I get the impression that the emphasis has been placed fully on guys who play full tilt, are passionate and have leadership skills. I am truly excited by this draft class.
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    Terrible post, Jays.

    I just wanted to say something different than everyone else.

    Awesome post, Jays.
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    Jay52,

    I would like to hear what you think of Cunningham and Hernandez?

    I have agreed for a while that Guyton was serviceable but we need a presence in the middle next to Mayo is what this defense really needed. There was talk last night on NFLN that he may play SILB for the first two downs and move to OLB and rush on third to keep him on the field?

    Nice analysis.
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    We are going from a very promising defense of last year to a stacked defense.

    I believe it will be pass rush by committee this year, with guys like Warren and Lewis replacing Seymour more or less as two gappers taking up blocks so the linebackers can run free. And we do have guys like Tully, perhaps Cunningham, that will get after the QB from the OLB position.

    We clearly have a lot of good d-backs and LBs. And Vince and Ty Warren. In an ideal world we would have one more dynamic DE that can pass rush out of a 3 man front, but BB at least got some more guys at that postion to keep their legs fresh.

    This defense might end up being like one of those BB Giants defenses, where the LB core are basically household names. Mayo and Spikes.
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    I haven't been in a moist critical situation AndyJohnson but I'm guessing by your last name, Johnson's like being in moist situations ;).

    Great post jays. Makes you eager for the season.
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    Awesome post, sobering, so I am off to the packy.....let's go calendar, get to Fall !
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    I protest! (But you're on the right track.)

    Lewis isn't noted for being very strong against the run. This pool of DL talent seems set to compete for specific roles:

    Ty Warren - Starter 3-4 LDE and 4-3 DT/Heavy LDE, can kick inside on passing downs.
    Wilfork - Starter at 3-4 & 4-3 NT, and 4-3 3-tech, and can fill in at 3-4 DE.
    Wright - He can start at 3-4 & 4-3 RDE, but his strength (so far) is 3rd-D specialist (Third Down). He also has roles at 3-4/4-3 NT and 3-4 LDE, and 4-3 3-tech.
    Pryor - 3rd-D, 3-4/4-3 rNT, 4-3 3-tech.
    Brace - He's competing for 3-4/4-3 rNT and 3-4 rDE.
    Lewis - 3rd-D, 4-3 3-tech.
    Ger. Warren - Starter 3-4 DE, 4-3 NT/3-tech.
    Richard - Competing for everthing but 3-4 NT.
    Grady - Competing for 3rd-D, 4-3 rNT, 4-3 3-tech.
    Gordon - Competing for 3rd-D, 4-3 rNT, 4-3 3-tech.
    Deadrick - Competing for everthing.
    Weston - Competing for everthing.

    NE has 12 DL competing for 6-7 slots, and a couple PSquad openings. BB talked about the current trend with NFL offenses is coming back to the run.
    Strong run defenders here are:
    -- Ty Warren (one of the very best in the NFL),
    -- Wilfork (a recent article called him the #1 NT in the NFL),
    -- Wright (at NT he plays very well, and he does a good job at RDE, he struggles more at LDE),
    -- Pryor
    -- Brace (if he's made the speed/strength adjustment from college to the NFL and focused on his conditioning & technique he'll be a monster),
    -- Gerard Warren (he's Seymour good when his motor is running, and NFL average other times),
    -- Richard
    -- Grady
    -- Deadrick
    -- Weston (he was used more as a penetrator at Georgia, but once he learns the technique, he could prove to be a beast against the run in a two-gap scheme).

    3rd-D specialists:
    -- Wright (he could surpass Jarvis Green with similar talent around him),
    -- Pryor (a bowling ball with knives as they say),
    -- Grady (he was more of a run stuffer at Louisville, but Indy drafted him for a reason),
    -- Lewis (that's been his career),
    -- Gordon (it was his strength at Stanford)
    -- Weston (it's how Georgia used him).

    Now that I've seen where the current DL pool is on paper, and heard BB's thoughts about the run, I'm excited to see the DL shaking out in camp. A nice mix of veteran and youngster, as well as run stoppers, pass rushers, and 3-down players.

    Gordon was initially used as a 4-3 DE while at Stanford before they kicked him inside. I wonder if NE is thinking about taking 15-20 lbs off him and using him as a pass rush specialist who can line up anywhere? I wonder how Lewis would look if he was lighter and used strictly as a pass rush specialist.
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    This Post was one of my favorite posts I've ever read. Props to the OP.
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    I've got a hard on.

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    This post made me want to put on a helmet and spear every person I see. Amazing.
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    Great take on what's happened and it certainly makes a whole lot of intuitive sense to anyone who's followed the team over the last decade or so. It's always risky to try to characterize what's going on in the Locker Room, but I think you're on to something; There's been "something missing" the last couple of years, no doubt. I hope you're right that this marks a turning point in an important part of what has made the Pats successful!

    Thanks!
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