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    I think the walkthrough tape is a ruse. I think there is some reason we do not know yet that his end game is immunity from prosecution. My guess is that he wants to write a book, and will fill it with lies. He had a clause in contract with the Pats that prevents him from sharing inside info. Therefore, if he writes a book, particualrly one with lies in it, he will be sued by the Pats, and I suppose ultimately would lose the money he made on the book.
    So, he creates the walkthrough tape ruse, makes it sound like he has incriminating evidence on the Patriots, in order to get the Specters of the world to force the NFL to do whatever it takes to find out what he knows. Pressure is on to give him immunity. He gets it, there is no walk through tape, or one that is him leaving the camera on as he leaves the field after Pats practice that shows them stretching or something.
    Then he writes his book, and has been given full immunity that the Pats can do nothing about him violating his contract.

    It actually seems pretty obvious to me. Here are some inconsistencies that support this idea.
    1) Does anyone really believe that he would have been allowed to stay and film the Rams walk through and they would not have noticed or cared? This has been totally overlooked in all of this. How could it happen that the Rams wouldn't see him with a camera in his hand taping the practice?
    2) He is pushing EXTEMELY hard for immunity, and demanding full immunity from EVERYTHING. You don't require immunity unless you did something wrong (or will do something wrong)
    3) This came out SB week. Why? Well, if the Pats won, they made history, as a 19-0 team. Of course, that increases what anyone would pay him for a book about what he knows. Leaking it during SB week, just happens to put it in the news, at the time, and at the venue that the most possible media will focus on it.
    4) If the allegations were true, he would have blackmailed the Patriots with them when he was fired. When you have a 'get out of jail free card' you use it at the point you are FIRED FROM YOUR JOB. We are now supposed to believe that Matt Walsh had the evidence that the Patriots cheated in the SB, got fired in 2003, and at that point did not threaten to use it to save his job? Then he decided to wait 5 more years before using it?
    5) Again, the timing is probably irrelevant because there is no logical reason he would wait, the timing only coincides with when he had the idea to make up the claim. When the publicity on Spygate was highest, if he had been holding it back all of this time, he would have seen it as his golden opportunity. The reality, it appears, is that it took him 4 months to think up something that he could use to get himself in the limelight.

    Prediction: Walsh gets granted unprecedented immunity. In essence, the NFL, bans the Patriots from any action against him for any reason. Walsh's 'evidence' turns out to be bogus. Walsh writes a book, also using the conspiracy theory angle that the NFL knew he was telling the truth and swept it under the carpet. The Patriots are barred by the leagues agreement from doing anything (in fact Goddell may pressure Kraft into signing such an indemnity). Bob Kraft sues the NFL (Al Davis-style) over the Walsh issue, the fines, and the lost draft pick.
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    what does fos mean?

    What are Krafts options? The league CAN grant immunity from the teams exercising their rights. Whether that is legal or not is quesitonable, but they can do it. But lets say Walsh's attorney says "He will not say anything unless the Patriots grant full immunity". Kraft refuses to grant it, and it will be perceived as an admission of guilt. In the court of public opinion, Kraft cannot do anything to block Walsh from speaking.

    Nice thinking, Kraft is such a great businessman he will destroy the league (and thereby destrying his business) before allowing a tool to tell lies that he can't sue him over. Yeah, sure.
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    Does anyone on this board think for a minute that BB/Pioli would publicly come out so strongly and denied that they taped the SB practice if there was a shred of truth to it.

    Walsh is a lying sack of sh*t con man loser
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    It think thats obivous. But why is he seeking immunity? What liability does he have, that he needs to be protected from?
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    FOS means Full of Sh*t. The Kraft's money is made in paper products not football. They are not weakneed-fillin the blanks who will let their intrests be walked over by Football Neo-Nazis
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    Isn't it indemnity not immunity. My take was that if Walsh was to get sued that the NFL would cover any costs associated with that. That means that Pats could still sue him but the NFL would have to cover and payments, etc. Am I correct in this? Is this anyone else's take or am I way off.
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    What the Hell! Swing away! You are an Internet Lawyer too!
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    I don't think he's that smart or that devious... I think the guy just wanted his 15 minutes of fame and he wanted to feel important for the first time in his life... so he made a few exaggerations and maybe it's gotten a little out of control...
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    OOppss...maybe I owe Andy an apology?
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    Correct. He's seeking indemnification, not immunity.

    He wants all his legal expenses to be paid by the NFL from here to eternity. That would provide all sorts of options to make money from his sorry story of lies.

    BTW, how can a guy who sets up tee times afford a high priced D.C. attorney?

    How come nobody in the media is asking that basic question?
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    The funny part is the Psychotic reply written by a certain "Mike Allen"...none other than the poster formerly known as "NEM"!
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    i actually fear the worst. if he has any tape or note, whatever he has Goodell has to make it public and the media and people like polian will force his hand to meet out additional punishments. unless what he says can be proved factually wrong with proof , even if he has stolen pats property, the pats could be in trouble due to sheer -ve coverage of BB and jealousy. More people are going to believe what he says than the pats . thats the problem. and goodell will be force to choose sides between the rest of the league and his reputation and the patriots.:mad:
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    ah...so SVN is another who thinks Polian figures into all this crap...we are allies now....until the day that miscreant is finally unmasked as the Rasputin he has always been in this league
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    I agree with SVN. I believe this is going to get worse. The whole thing feels calculated to me. Add me to the list wondering how Walsh got a high priced DC attorney.
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    Well, supposedly, Goodell interviewed several Pats employees who specifically denied these rumors. It's also possible that what he has is simply stuff that was in the Pats' notes, but no longer on the tapes (big whoop).

    But, as has been said before, the only way there will be further punishment is if Goodell determines that the Pats lied to him--unless he wants to be viewed as a liar.
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    Of course you do, but just refrain from being a dlck again, and we can call it even.
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    I have no clue but I think you're right. The NFL isn't a legal body, it can't give anyone immunity from prosecution. And even if it could, it would make no sense to give immunity to a non crime (spygate) to protect someone from a crime (theft or whatever). Immunity is given to get to the bigger criminal, this would be the other way around as the Patriots aren't accused of a criminal act.
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    Yes, I used the wrong terminology. But what does he need indemnificaiton from?
    He says he has a tape. What is his liability?
    This whole situation reeks of a ruse to have the NFL bargain away the Patriots rights. There is no other danger for Walsh than to nothave his book published because of a confidentiality clause.
    Publishers will frown on publishing a book that is a violation of a confidentially clause in a contract.
    This whole walk through thing is smoke and mirrors.

    We are to believe
    1) This guy filmed the walk through with 53 Rams players, a dozen or so coaches, untold management and security personell, as well as the media there (I'm sure NFL security was there too), and we had to be wearing Patriots credentials, and NOT A SINGLE PERSON SAW HIM?
    2) Bill Belichick and Scott Pioli went in front of the media and flat out lied.
    3) He simply decided to do nothing about it for 6 years.
    4) When he was FIRED from his job, he forgot to use that as a bargaining chip.

    Rather than believe the obvious: That the guy wants to cash in on his relationship to the Patriots, so he has made up a story, that no one can corrobarate, because he has ulterior motives.

    I was born at night, but not last night.
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    Florio says he knows why and it's not Specter that hooked him up but someone did and he's not at liberty to say who since he sometimes pretends he's like a real journalist and you're not supposed to divulge sources and info you are told in background...:rofl:

    How can a guy who sets up tee times afford to retain seasons tickets to a football team 6000 miles away and trips to a Superbowl that was the toughest ticket in sports in years... Maybe the folks (or the in-laws) are loaded and connected. He had motor cycles and classic cars after he washed out of NFLE, so who knows maybe he's strangling in lifestyle debt and convinced his ship sailed in in September - the SS Mangini. Maui is also one of the more expensive addresses on earth even if housing is part of his current employment.

    It was interesting today that Ordway and Parillo were discussing how Walsh was not ferreted out by the media or outed by someone who heard his musings and dropped a dime on him. He had personally been repreatedly contacting various media members since the JETS taping story broke and telling them he might have damaging info that he was not quite prepared to just offer up on Belichick... None of them could substantiate what he was insinuating, and absert his willingness to show some sort of proof nobody else ran with the story until the Times chose to on the heels of Specter's involvement. Apparently the others feared they would be left out of the scoop loop if they didn't run with what they had at that point. Each easily rationalized that the other's published story now constituted sufficient corroberation for theirs. Speaks volumes about the sports media and what they perceive both corroberation their role as...

    Also heard Jason Cole from Yahoo on with Felger today. He was a lot more rational than Mike although after 10 minutes of of listening to Mike's but doesn't that mean, but don't you think form of questioning he was waffling. He did say that the league is only doing what any professional including a journalist SHOULD HAVE DONE prior to running with Walsh's story, a basic background check to see if this "kid" (I hate that they are calling a 32 year old that like he's 19) has credibility issues. Said they have not harassed his friends or family, but they are checking his employment record and some of his inconsistencies or embellishments to see what's up with that. He also said they have talked to quite a few of the Patriot employees who would have been in a position to know and none had any knowledge of the existence of a walkthrough tape.

    The sad thing in all this is no one in the media can apparently imagine how Walsh could not have anything at this point because why else would he have continued to indicate he does. What was in it for him... Millions of people know who he is now, don't they. Apparently none of them have ever encountered a pathological liar with unfulfilled delusions of grandeur who perceives an opportunity to cash in and become a psuedo celebrity somebody. I've personally met at least two of those in my lifetime. Forget about how many I've read or seen disected, all too often after they did something mindnumbing that generated tragic news reports...
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