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  1. AndyJohnson

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    I think the walkthrough tape is a ruse. I think there is some reason we do not know yet that his end game is immunity from prosecution. My guess is that he wants to write a book, and will fill it with lies. He had a clause in contract with the Pats that prevents him from sharing inside info. Therefore, if he writes a book, particualrly one with lies in it, he will be sued by the Pats, and I suppose ultimately would lose the money he made on the book.
    So, he creates the walkthrough tape ruse, makes it sound like he has incriminating evidence on the Patriots, in order to get the Specters of the world to force the NFL to do whatever it takes to find out what he knows. Pressure is on to give him immunity. He gets it, there is no walk through tape, or one that is him leaving the camera on as he leaves the field after Pats practice that shows them stretching or something.
    Then he writes his book, and has been given full immunity that the Pats can do nothing about him violating his contract.

    It actually seems pretty obvious to me. Here are some inconsistencies that support this idea.
    1) Does anyone really believe that he would have been allowed to stay and film the Rams walk through and they would not have noticed or cared? This has been totally overlooked in all of this. How could it happen that the Rams wouldn't see him with a camera in his hand taping the practice?
    2) He is pushing EXTEMELY hard for immunity, and demanding full immunity from EVERYTHING. You don't require immunity unless you did something wrong (or will do something wrong)
    3) This came out SB week. Why? Well, if the Pats won, they made history, as a 19-0 team. Of course, that increases what anyone would pay him for a book about what he knows. Leaking it during SB week, just happens to put it in the news, at the time, and at the venue that the most possible media will focus on it.
    4) If the allegations were true, he would have blackmailed the Patriots with them when he was fired. When you have a 'get out of jail free card' you use it at the point you are FIRED FROM YOUR JOB. We are now supposed to believe that Matt Walsh had the evidence that the Patriots cheated in the SB, got fired in 2003, and at that point did not threaten to use it to save his job? Then he decided to wait 5 more years before using it?
    5) Again, the timing is probably irrelevant because there is no logical reason he would wait, the timing only coincides with when he had the idea to make up the claim. When the publicity on Spygate was highest, if he had been holding it back all of this time, he would have seen it as his golden opportunity. The reality, it appears, is that it took him 4 months to think up something that he could use to get himself in the limelight.

    Prediction: Walsh gets granted unprecedented immunity. In essence, the NFL, bans the Patriots from any action against him for any reason. Walsh's 'evidence' turns out to be bogus. Walsh writes a book, also using the conspiracy theory angle that the NFL knew he was telling the truth and swept it under the carpet. The Patriots are barred by the leagues agreement from doing anything (in fact Goddell may pressure Kraft into signing such an indemnity). Bob Kraft sues the NFL (Al Davis-style) over the Walsh issue, the fines, and the lost draft pick.
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    what does fos mean?

    What are Krafts options? The league CAN grant immunity from the teams exercising their rights. Whether that is legal or not is quesitonable, but they can do it. But lets say Walsh's attorney says "He will not say anything unless the Patriots grant full immunity". Kraft refuses to grant it, and it will be perceived as an admission of guilt. In the court of public opinion, Kraft cannot do anything to block Walsh from speaking.

    Nice thinking, Kraft is such a great businessman he will destroy the league (and thereby destrying his business) before allowing a tool to tell lies that he can't sue him over. Yeah, sure.
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    Does anyone on this board think for a minute that BB/Pioli would publicly come out so strongly and denied that they taped the SB practice if there was a shred of truth to it.

    Walsh is a lying sack of sh*t con man loser
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    It think thats obivous. But why is he seeking immunity? What liability does he have, that he needs to be protected from?
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    FOS means Full of Sh*t. The Kraft's money is made in paper products not football. They are not weakneed-fillin the blanks who will let their intrests be walked over by Football Neo-Nazis
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    Isn't it indemnity not immunity. My take was that if Walsh was to get sued that the NFL would cover any costs associated with that. That means that Pats could still sue him but the NFL would have to cover and payments, etc. Am I correct in this? Is this anyone else's take or am I way off.
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    What the Hell! Swing away! You are an Internet Lawyer too!
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    I don't think he's that smart or that devious... I think the guy just wanted his 15 minutes of fame and he wanted to feel important for the first time in his life... so he made a few exaggerations and maybe it's gotten a little out of control...
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    OOppss...maybe I owe Andy an apology?
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    Correct. He's seeking indemnification, not immunity.

    He wants all his legal expenses to be paid by the NFL from here to eternity. That would provide all sorts of options to make money from his sorry story of lies.

    BTW, how can a guy who sets up tee times afford a high priced D.C. attorney?

    How come nobody in the media is asking that basic question?
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    The funny part is the Psychotic reply written by a certain "Mike Allen"...none other than the poster formerly known as "NEM"!
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    i actually fear the worst. if he has any tape or note, whatever he has Goodell has to make it public and the media and people like polian will force his hand to meet out additional punishments. unless what he says can be proved factually wrong with proof , even if he has stolen pats property, the pats could be in trouble due to sheer -ve coverage of BB and jealousy. More people are going to believe what he says than the pats . thats the problem. and goodell will be force to choose sides between the rest of the league and his reputation and the patriots.:mad:
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    ah...so SVN is another who thinks Polian figures into all this crap...we are allies now....until the day that miscreant is finally unmasked as the Rasputin he has always been in this league
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    I agree with SVN. I believe this is going to get worse. The whole thing feels calculated to me. Add me to the list wondering how Walsh got a high priced DC attorney.
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    Well, supposedly, Goodell interviewed several Pats employees who specifically denied these rumors. It's also possible that what he has is simply stuff that was in the Pats' notes, but no longer on the tapes (big whoop).

    But, as has been said before, the only way there will be further punishment is if Goodell determines that the Pats lied to him--unless he wants to be viewed as a liar.
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    Of course you do, but just refrain from being a dlck again, and we can call it even.
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    I have no clue but I think you're right. The NFL isn't a legal body, it can't give anyone immunity from prosecution. And even if it could, it would make no sense to give immunity to a non crime (spygate) to protect someone from a crime (theft or whatever). Immunity is given to get to the bigger criminal, this would be the other way around as the Patriots aren't accused of a criminal act.
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    Yes, I used the wrong terminology. But what does he need indemnificaiton from?
    He says he has a tape. What is his liability?
    This whole situation reeks of a ruse to have the NFL bargain away the Patriots rights. There is no other danger for Walsh than to nothave his book published because of a confidentiality clause.
    Publishers will frown on publishing a book that is a violation of a confidentially clause in a contract.
    This whole walk through thing is smoke and mirrors.

    We are to believe
    1) This guy filmed the walk through with 53 Rams players, a dozen or so coaches, untold management and security personell, as well as the media there (I'm sure NFL security was there too), and we had to be wearing Patriots credentials, and NOT A SINGLE PERSON SAW HIM?
    2) Bill Belichick and Scott Pioli went in front of the media and flat out lied.
    3) He simply decided to do nothing about it for 6 years.
    4) When he was FIRED from his job, he forgot to use that as a bargaining chip.

    Rather than believe the obvious: That the guy wants to cash in on his relationship to the Patriots, so he has made up a story, that no one can corrobarate, because he has ulterior motives.

    I was born at night, but not last night.
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    Florio says he knows why and it's not Specter that hooked him up but someone did and he's not at liberty to say who since he sometimes pretends he's like a real journalist and you're not supposed to divulge sources and info you are told in background...:rofl:

    How can a guy who sets up tee times afford to retain seasons tickets to a football team 6000 miles away and trips to a Superbowl that was the toughest ticket in sports in years... Maybe the folks (or the in-laws) are loaded and connected. He had motor cycles and classic cars after he washed out of NFLE, so who knows maybe he's strangling in lifestyle debt and convinced his ship sailed in in September - the SS Mangini. Maui is also one of the more expensive addresses on earth even if housing is part of his current employment.

    It was interesting today that Ordway and Parillo were discussing how Walsh was not ferreted out by the media or outed by someone who heard his musings and dropped a dime on him. He had personally been repreatedly contacting various media members since the JETS taping story broke and telling them he might have damaging info that he was not quite prepared to just offer up on Belichick... None of them could substantiate what he was insinuating, and absert his willingness to show some sort of proof nobody else ran with the story until the Times chose to on the heels of Specter's involvement. Apparently the others feared they would be left out of the scoop loop if they didn't run with what they had at that point. Each easily rationalized that the other's published story now constituted sufficient corroberation for theirs. Speaks volumes about the sports media and what they perceive both corroberation their role as...

    Also heard Jason Cole from Yahoo on with Felger today. He was a lot more rational than Mike although after 10 minutes of of listening to Mike's but doesn't that mean, but don't you think form of questioning he was waffling. He did say that the league is only doing what any professional including a journalist SHOULD HAVE DONE prior to running with Walsh's story, a basic background check to see if this "kid" (I hate that they are calling a 32 year old that like he's 19) has credibility issues. Said they have not harassed his friends or family, but they are checking his employment record and some of his inconsistencies or embellishments to see what's up with that. He also said they have talked to quite a few of the Patriot employees who would have been in a position to know and none had any knowledge of the existence of a walkthrough tape.

    The sad thing in all this is no one in the media can apparently imagine how Walsh could not have anything at this point because why else would he have continued to indicate he does. What was in it for him... Millions of people know who he is now, don't they. Apparently none of them have ever encountered a pathological liar with unfulfilled delusions of grandeur who perceives an opportunity to cash in and become a psuedo celebrity somebody. I've personally met at least two of those in my lifetime. Forget about how many I've read or seen disected, all too often after they did something mindnumbing that generated tragic news reports...
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    Check out the indemnification agreement from the NFL vs. the agreement sought by Walsh's attorney. Everyone focuses on the "truthfulness" clause as being the hangup. Totally bogus. If Walsh took the NFL agreement today and told the truth, anyone who wanted to sue him would have to prove damages and (beyond a reasonable doubt) that he lied...which would be impossible to do.

    However, there are two other differences between the agreements:

    1) Walsh is only covered for testimony to Specter and Goodell (explicitly called out in the agreement)
    2) Walsh must give up all materials and swear that he doesn't have anything else

    The agreement from Walsh's lawyer doesn't mention either of these points. He can talk to anyone and gets to keep his stuff. If all Walsh wants to do is get the truth out safely, under the NFL agreement he can testify and give materials directly to Specter. No way will Specter allows the materials to be destroyed or covered up. Who would even try to go after Walsh when Congress has his back? Nobody.

    So why doesn't Walsh take the NFL agreement? Because it prevents him from making a dime off anything he knows from his time with the Pats. Money is the only reason why Walsh injected himself into this situation and the potential for money is the reason why the lawyers are involved. Simple as that.

    If the NFL gives him the indemnification he seeks, he will testify that the Pats knowingly taped the opponents signals since 2000 or some other info that is either obvious or already known. After leaving Goodell's office, he will immediately start the rounds on any news show that will pay him to appear. A couple of months later, "I, Spy. An Inside Story of the Rise and Fall of the Patriots" will be available on amazon.com. He will be able to say anything without legal consequence.

    This is why the NFL won't improve their indemnification offer. This is also why Walsh will never agree to testify. And the world will go right on a-spinnin...
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    Walsh should have just sold the tape for cash.

    But he didn't sell it for cash.

    That's what I want to know ... why didn't he just sell it?

    Because perhaps he does not have it.
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    Here's another thought that I haven't seen written before (if it has my apologies in advance). SB 36 was the first Super Bowl post 9/11 and security was at an all time high. Remember tickets could be had on the day of the Super Bowl for face value, People were fearful of another attack and there were security people everywhere on the lookout. I find it hard to believe that in that atmosphere he would have been able to film the opposing team without being approached and questioned.
    Just my $0.02,
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    Yeah, you're right because when the NFL tried to take away a first round pick, Kraft wouldn't stand for it, and he ... he ... whoops ... well, there goes your whole argument. I guess this makes you an FOS POS :D
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    Because that would leave a cash trail back to him as the source of the video. He would either end up in the clink or at least lose every dime he has.

    However, he could have anonymously leaked portions of the Rams walkthrough with no possibility of tracing back to him. Specter would have an orgasm and Goodell would be forced into playing ball on Walsh's terms.

    So I agree that anything Walsh has would not qualify as a "bombshell"...
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    well..the fact is ..by now walsh also would realize this. And there are more people who will and want to believe walsh than the pats , whatever he says. Everyone just is giving lip service that they want to hear if walsh has anything. Iam quite sure if he even names BB for anything they will want to believe him. Remember how this whole crap started. Everyone assumed BB did it as long as he has been in NE. But somehow the fact that he told goodell that he has so made everyone react in surprise as if they didnt know.
    i remember when this story broke people like easterbrook said BB would resign and when it didnt happen he hinted in his columns that he was working on something. apparently he provided the name of walsh to mike fish.
    This freaking media controls everything sadly and right now they want BB's head.
    Gene upshaw says today , videotaping cant have any affect on the game . Where the **** was he in september ? BB and pats have no support whatsoever even though any sane person would know that the tape had minimal effect on a game for which BB has been punished.
    so goodell can say its the same notes and tapes or whatever walsh gives he had known at that time. But now idiots like king want to see the tape or whatever walsh has. None of these morons yelled to see the jets tape until fox leaked it.
    Goodell did the right thing by destroying the tapes but right now he has a bigger fight with the media in his hands. And i am surprised media hasnt brought up the vick and pacman jones comparison again for the nth time and how goodell has not been fair. Dr Z already mentioned this week that goodell and kraft's relationship makes this an eyewash. This media will go to any dirty extent to see the story they want to sell and @#@##% ESPN leads that group along with people like Faulk and warner who have played this game at the highest level.
    Sadly i think if BB was suspended for even 1 game during the season, this would not have come up,just my 2 cents. His PR is costing him this -no means i want him to change but its a fact. Parcells played with the media all the time but still he had his people in the media who always said only +ve things about him inspite of the many -ve things he couldve done.
    We all are always annoyed with the media all the time but this episode has me disgusted. Maybe iam biased because iam a pats fan .
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    will do....Sorry. But at times you are still FOS. Sorry about that too.
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    lol, I think it's funny that your questioning whether he can afford a "High priced DC Attorney"

    Same way Drew Peterson, and any other person in the spotlight gets a high priced lawyer. He's a walking goldmine right now, who's potential FAR outweighs the risk. Lawyers typically have an alloted amount of time for "civic service" where they offer their time for free to people who can't afford it. If this lawyer wins he charges Walsh a premium and makes out like a bandit, if not he still makes a name for himself.

    Don't worry, if any of you are ever poor as dirt, yet have a case that catches the publics interest, you too will find "high priced council" for free :)
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    Thanks! Good to know!
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