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  1. Teenuh

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    Well, I just got back from a trip to visit my parents so I need to make up fpor my lack of posts during the past week. :D

    Tom Brady - Our offense is capable of being just as good as the 2007 team, as long as Brady spreads the ball, limits his deep passes, and the offense stops getting penalties at critical times.

    Randy Moss - I think all of the people who talk about trading Moss need to take a careful look at the past three games. So far in every game this season he has once again proven how valuable he is to our offense. Pay him!

    Wes Welker - Welker is obviously playing really well again even though his catches have been limited so far this season.

    Hernandez and Gronk - If what they have done during their first few games is any indication of what is coming, you are looking at two Future Hall of Fame players. You heard it from me first. :D

    Brandon Tate - Not bad so far. He's fast but he needs to do a better job of holding on to the ball.

    Alge Crumpler - He hasn't gained a lot of yards but he has done a great job with blocking.

    Julian Edelman - Am I the only person who thinks Edelman has taken a step back? He doesn't seem to really do much with the catches he is given.

    BJGE - He had a good game today and does pretty well at times but he is still inconsistent.

    Woodhead - I like this guy so far. I think we should give him more opportunities to see what he can do.

    Sammy Morris - I personally think he is better than BJGE so I'm not sure why he doesn't get many carries.

    Defensive Line - Great at limiting the run. These guys are the strength of our defense for sure.

    Patrick Chung and Brandon Meriweather - Our young safeties are both prone to making some mistakes but they also make a lot of big plays.

    Mccourty, Arrington, Butler, Wilhite - I think McCourty will be ok as the season goes on but the others are a big question mark. Our corners are giving up way too many big plays.
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    Yes, our #1 WEAKNESS is indeed our corners. However, if we had better linebacker play, the front seven could help limit the consequences of the weakness at corner.
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    How is he being inconsistent?
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    ^ my question as well. Care to elaborate?
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    He has too many runs for losses. He did well today because we were playing against the Bills... He is not someone we want to use a lot in a game against teams like the Steelers, Vikings, Dolphins, etc... He will fail big time. BJGE would be a backup on most teams with better running backs.

    I think we need to give Woodhead a shot.
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    All of the aforementioned teams would destroy Woodhead if he was a no.1 back I am happy to keep him doing what he's doing so he can stay explosive.
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    What runs for losses? Where are the numbers to back up your assertion?

    FYI, when a RB is tackled for a loss, that is almost always a breakdown on the OL part.

    Woodhead is not a legitimate rushing threat. He is the perfect 3rd down option to replace Faulk, as he did today. He even carried out that patented 3rd down draw play.
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    We need to be clear.

    Woodhead is a tiny 3rd down back who played great today and was a fine acquisition.

    Green-Ellis is a 1st and 2nd down back, who will backup and alternate with Taylor, now that he beat out Maroney. And BTW, it will be interesting to see how he performs as he continues to get more carries. Many backs do better as they get more and more carries. Others just tire and need us to bring in another back to get a breather.

    Marris is an all-purpose back who can play anywhere as needed.

    I understand that we played the Buffalo Bills, but the patriots pounding out over 200 running yard is truly awesome.

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    Give BJGE more time before saying he is a 2nd back. He only started one game, what do you expect from him?
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    He didn't start. Taylor did.
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    Morris looks slow - BJGE has far exceeded most expectations -
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    Moss should not be paid. He is still a stud but he is not the same guy he was in 2007. His skills are diminishing (as you would expect of a 34 yr old WR), and I think the Pats are going to get as much from him as they can this year and let him walk. I think this is a good plan as I think his skills will continue to diminish. We do need to bring in another #1 WR, but I don't think it'll be Moss. I hope not.

    Our DL is not good against the run at all. I have no idea what you have watched the last two weeks.

    Morris is a JAG and always has been.

    The offense is not close to 2007 because WR is weaker as a unit, and Moss is not the same player he was. His explosion has diminished.

    The tight ends are great.

    This team will be a .500 team at yrs end.
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    What the hell does Moss need to do to shut up people like you? Is 2 TDS in one game not enough?
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    Apparently you weren't watching the first 3 games. He had several runs for losses and no gains in the games.

    BJGE is not a rushing threat against any team with a decent defense either. His average before today was 2.7 (1.9 against the Jets) which isn't exactly elite for a RB. Next week I predict he will have a horrible game against the Dolphins and we will be forced to win with our passing game. So far he has only done well against teams with questionable run defenses.

    Yeah, yeah, Maurice Jones-Drew is a tiny RB as well. :eek: Woodhead should get a chance to be more than a third down back. I think he could potentially be better than BJGE.
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    Are you really going off the Jets game where every player in that game played like ass? He was fine in the Cinci game and the game today. You seriously sound like you are blowing smoke right now.
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    MJD is listed at 2 inches shorted and 10lbs heavier he is a much bigger back by ratio Woodhead Is comparable to Sporles or Faulk in size both are 3rd down back primarily. both undersized guys who make people miss MJD runs through people they guy has tree trunks for thighs.
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    Lay off the drugs. Moss is not only our best receiver but one of (if not THE) the best in the NFL. His skills aren't diminishing at all, the play-calling is part of the problem and our defense as a whole isn't playing as well as it could.

    We get stops when we need to. We held the JETS running game (which was the best in the NFL last year) to 128 yards and zero TDs last week. And we held Buffalo's RBs to 108 yards which is only 5 more yards than they had against Green Bay last week. Next week we'll have a real test for our run defense. I'm betting we hold the Dolphins to under 130 combined rushing yards.

    Didn't look that way to me when he beat the best CB in the league last week or when he got those two TDs this week. :lol2:

    I disagree.
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    Yeah, the Bengals and Bills are both known for their great run defenses...
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    This reminds me of the last two years when I was trying to tell everyone that Lawrence "Mr Fumble" Maroney was a bad RB and everyone was defending him. In the end my opinion was justified when Bill traded him. Now I'm trying to once again tell people that our current RB isn't great either and everyone is defending him the same way they defended Maroney. Gee, I wonder how this will eventually turn out. :rolleyes:
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    Its sad to say our weakness is our corners when all we spent in the last 3 drafts is A 2 A 3 ANOTHER 2 , and a 1 on our corner backs.. but that is our weakness, and that Belichick cant draft well on lb.
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    Wow. What a dumb post. I thought we dispelled this whole "BB can't draft" crap already.
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    Teenuh...good overall summary......however, Sammy Morris looked slow and old out there today.....BJGE looked great,....very decisive, smart and effective. Feel like he is going to get the bulk of the carries...and remember, WHOEVER is running the ball is going to be dependent on how well our OL blocks. Good today....overall not great.

    Edelman is still banged up....something is going on with him. Wasn't in there much and when he was....doesn't look like the same guy. I think he still has some kind of injury going on although I didnt catch it on injury report.

    Doubt we will have 2 hall of fame TE from the Pats.....but I strongly agree that they will both be extremely productive for many years to come!!!

    Good points Teenuh....thanks.....
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    Taylor has an average of 3.6 in those games, and he is the #1 RB. BJGE was the #3, and his average is only .9 lower. In this game, he gets the most carries he's ever got (16) and delivers.

    His stats from the first two games don't reflect a loss of yardage. Every RB is tackled for a loss every now and then, and like I said, almost every time that is caused by a OL breakdown. The fact that he has an average means his gains outnumber his losses.

    You're going to eat your words next Monday night. ;)
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    He hasn't had a heck of alot of opps prior to today either. BJGE is the best RB option that we have right now. Taylor and Morris are old and slow and injury prone. Woodhead is just too darned small to be an every down back and is more appropriate for being the "kevin faulk fill in" for this year and hopefully more. I have said this ad nauseum.....our running game is only as effective as the play of the offensive line. IF they don't open holes....it really doesn't matter if you have Chris Johnson back there.....or BJGE. We all saw what Pitt did to Johnson last week right?
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    That is not what we are discussing. You claim he is being inconsistent when he really hasn't been. He had -6 yards for the Jets game (one for -2 and another for -4) and one run for no gain. The Bills game he had one run for no gain and another with a loss of 2 yards. In the Bengals game he had a gain on every run. Its not about how good the defenses are but what you claim is inconsistent play. And from what I've seen it looks pretty alright to me.
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    Are you saying we did well on drafting defense in 2006,2007,2008?

    Meriweather is the only decent one and even he is a borderline average Safety
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    When they run blitz at the right time, its reasonable to expect a run for no gain or get a loss but overall buddy has been pretty good.
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    Have no problem with your analysis, except the flowing:

    BJGE - Had a good game ???? WTF. The dude got 98 yards limited carries.

    Woodhead - ???????? dude, it is absolutely quite clear at this point. Our little white RB, will be an enigma to defenses in the limited packages we bring him in.

    You really underestimate the potential f our running game.
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    The bad thing about that is if they both play really well, we'll probably lose one to free agency. I can't imagine kraft paying a lot of money for two tight ends. :confused:

    I don't think I am at all. I said I think woodhead could be good if we give him more chances. As far as BJGE is concerned, I suppose we'll see if I'm right again as the season goes on. Either he will do well or he will turn into another Maroney as I'm predicting.
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    We've already beat this horse to death, so I'm just going to say you're wrong and leave it at that.
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