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  1. mgteich

    mgteich PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

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    1) I would rather that we signed a veteran in Cassel's place.
    2) I would rather that we kept Gutierrez in Cassells place.
    3) I would like us to sign or trade for a veteran QB to start after the bye (Garcia anyone?).
    4) I would like us to sign a backup veteran as insurance if we can't get a starter.
    5) I think we can win with Cassel (Garcia would be better I think)

    For now, we have Cassel is our QB. We will be playing two more aweful teams in the next two weeks and then a bye, but division game are always tough. Cassel couldn't ask for a better situation. The team couldn't ask for better either: a soft schedule and an early bye.

    With Cassel I expect 10-6, enough to win the division. With Garcia, I would expect 12-4 and home field advantage.
     
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    JSn Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Matt Cassel is taking us to SB 43 (possibly in his minivan).

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  3. satz

    satz 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

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    Matt G is in the pratice squad and except for the 1 drive against the ravens he been total lack luster. Do not let doubt on casell let you believe that Matt G is better.

    Coaches see them through 2 full offseason now.they evaulute game tape and cut Matt G. again i want to be told what you are basing your decision.

    Garcia fit well or that matter any QB can be make a big improvement if the system is similar. we are told again and again its is not. If you bring in garcia then you just thrown your playbook in the trash and start a new one and have 1 week to coach all your WR,TE and OC to learn a west coast offence.

    I can garcia being good but you need some time to change your entire offence and make your WR,TE,Backs pick up the system.this extreme you cannot thrash years of work and passing camp,training camp and all workand replace a new one overnight. are you realistic.?You in essence destroyed your entire offence and think this will not cause confusion and crappy execution from 11 starters?
     
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    JSn Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    For reference, look back on the Jets season around December when they close up shop for the year.
     
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    slash83 In the Starting Line-Up

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    Ride or die with Cassel **** it
     
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    jcdavey In the Starting Line-Up

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    only opinion that should matter, is the front office's
     
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    spacecrime Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

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    No one listened to me when I defended CAssel all preseason and said he would make the team, not GUtierrez.

    Now you have seen the truth but do you really see?

    No, you are in denial.

    This isn't fantasy football, where players are interchangeable. Did you learn nothing in 2001 aobut team?

    BB rallied around Cassel, told the team he is the QB, showed faith in Cassel by sending Simms and Rattay home. The team has rallied around Cassel, and all have said they are moving on.

    Do you have any idea what will happen to the team if BB waffles now and shows no faith in Cassel. A QB is 1/22 of a team. The team will be lost if BB drops Cassel at this point.

    Regardless of who can show the best stats, this TEAM has a better chance of winning with Cassel because he is the BEST QUARTERBACK for this TEAM.

    Admit you were wrong. Get on the bandwagon before you destroy your rep.
     
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    JSn Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Bingo. I'm starting to really see NOTHING about this team is simple. A guy who's studied WITH the team and played against the most chameleonic D in the NFL in practice for 3+ years and who has learned all the same plays and been coached identically to Tom is the ONLY choice for our current situation.

    When it's spelled out like that, especially watching the Jets have to sweat out Mr. Aw Shucks from the sidelines, it's a straight up no-brainer.
     
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    there was a reason that Cassel stuck around... and there is a reason why he is here now.

    I'm a Cassel supporter.
     
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    Sorry, have to disagree at this point in time. I also have doubts but
    am really hoping Matt can do well and is doing well by week 6 or so.

    Unless Cassel completely falls apart he IS the best solution.
    Even if he stinks up the joint what do you do?
    Any new QB would have to learn a very evolved offense. Then that QB
    would have work with the WRs to get their timing down. Sure you
    could modify things but the bottom line any new QB would effect a lot of
    parts from the OC' job down to the Oline, WRs, RBs and TE.
    That is a huge task.
    Cassel knows the system and knows it better that anyone in the league.
    I know he will make mistakes but I'm just hoping he will learn fast and by
    week 5 or 6 he has obtained the confidence he will need.

    Also as long as you are not changing the offense to fit a new QB, Tom
    could be a valuable mentor to Matt.
     
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    Why would Garcia come in any sooner than any other QB that was available?,Sure he is a pretty good QB but not familiar with the system so it could be a few weeks before he would start - Even if Cassel blows as expected Cassel (if he avoids injury,you know he will be sacked 10 times in the next 3 games) is the starter for a few weeks minimum even if Jeff is signed which i doubt BB pays Jeff his 2M that he wants.

    I would be surprised if any other QB is on the roster in 2008 other than Cassel,Gutz and O'Connell - Unless the injury bug strikes and with that right side of the OL (without Neal) its not impossible

    Although I hate to say it but for the first time in 2,000,000,000,000 posts Spacecrime has a point that the team would be falling apart if Cassel was dumped without REAL good reason because the guys really like that kid and his desire to play,even if he will suck down the road

    If the team goes horrid like 3-4 by mid season then maybe the team puts ther clipboard back in Cassel's hand but probably not at this point - BB is stubborn when he makes decisions and usually keeps what his plans were for the season unless for some reason they get steamrolled
     
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    We agree!!
     
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    :yeahthat::agree::ditto:
     
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    Now I'm "no one." [​IMG]
     
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    I agree with these two points, I would be shocked if Cassel is ou QB for the entire season, but if he is that would be a very good sign about how he's playing.
     
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    Profound!!
     
  17. spacecrime

    spacecrime Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

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    My wife used my computer to post that after I failed to log off. :D
     
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    Me neither. I think spacecrime is stretching it a bit. Spacecrime wasn't the ONLT pre-season Cassel defender, but you must admit this fan club was pretty small. Space was the most vocal.

    I am proud to be a charter member (as in before ACL).
     
  19. Box_O_Rocks

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    Space "vocal?" Perish the thought. I thought the stat-line kommandos where a bit over the top, but it was an otherwise "normal" preseason for the #2. :eek:
     
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    chech1965 Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    I reserve my judgment until I see Cassel play a "good" team.

    If he loses to NY and Miami before we get to the "good" teams he needs to be replaced in time for SF before we face SD.

    Tomorrow's game start to answer so many questions.
     
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