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At this point, I'd be happy to cut Vince and sign J. Allen and S. Smith. Not exactly boy scouts. But, at least they haven't killed anybody. I'd prefer Julius Peppers. But, he'll prob go to the highest bidder. I'd guess Oakland. We could go dt in round 1. I like Tuitt. But, maybe Hageman there. If we restructure Vince, maybe sign Allen and draft Pryor.
 
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- Draft Phillip Gaines and make him Revis' understudy.

I don't think this point can be understated. As soon as I heard that Revis has a second year club option at 20M I thought this is going to be a one year rental and they are still going to need to draft a physcial man coverage corner to replace him. If he comes along fast and you can play him at RCB against taller receivers or on a TE this year that's a bonus.
 
I don't think this point can be understated. As soon as I heard that Revis has a second year club option at 20M I thought this is going to be a one year rental and they are still going to need to draft a physcial man coverage corner to replace him. If he comes along fast and you can play him at RCB against taller receivers or on a TE this year that's a bonus.

I don't think that I'd give up on a long term extension for Revis; and quite frankly, his option year for 2015 is basically equal to this year's deal + the dead money from Aaron Hernandez' contract that comes off the table next year. But by all means, the Pats would need a serious contingency plan.
 
I don't think that I'd give up on a long term extension for Revis; and quite frankly, his option year for 2015 is basically equal to this year's deal + the dead money from Aaron Hernandez' contract that comes off the table next year. But by all means, the Pats would need a serious contingency plan.

If he stays healthy I expect he'll have a monster year and he'll want a monster contract to match, especially if he scores a ring. I think to get him long term he's going to want a 5 or 6 year deal. He'll turn 30 just before the start of the 2015 season. I cannot see Bill doing that especially since he's still going to want the 16M AAV that he was getting in Tampa and by no coincidence if the Patriots were to bite the bullet and pick up the option that's his AAV with the Patriots as well. MAYBE Bill would do 3/48 or 4/60 depending on how the cap continues to grow.

I'm not saying not to pursue it. The Pats correctly always do their due diligence I'm just pointing out the complications and you're correct they need a serious contingency plan.
 
There are tons of good ideas in this. It's a nice piece of work. But a couple of nitpicks:

1. You have us trading a 4th and 5th to move up in the 2nd round for ASJ, when we don't have a 5th. Then you have us taking Brent Urban with a 5th round pick (who would be a very good addition, BTW). How is this possible?

2. Just my personal perspective: if we're going to spend $7.5M (which I'm not sure we have) on Jared Allen, I'd rather craft an offer to Alex Mack.

Again, lots of good stuff, with a lot of players that I like.

1 - well my idea is trade a 4th and a 2nd for a higher 2nd and a 5th (it would only move us up 5 spots tops but I think it be enough to grab ASJ who is injured currently. Also if you can't just get him just get Niklas.

2 - I am not saying I don't like your player but I think the bigger impact player is Allen for this year. If we get Mack then fair enough but I think a top DE matters more for our specific situation than a top C. I think Brady/Connolly (worse case scenario) is workable though not preferable. I think Nink/Jones being forced to carry the load is not workable and I don't see a pass rushing specialist I like.

Peppers - probably done.
Babin - penalty machine I hear.
Tuck - maybe but would cost a lot too and has taken games off in the past (1 year show me deal may be an option)
Anthony Spencer - inconsistent
Antonio Smith - more of a 3-4 DE than 4-3 DE.
Shaun Phillips - IDK if he fits us... maybe.

No one else worth mentions.

Not a lot of good options if we don't sign Allen. If I had to pick I'd go Phillips but he is 33 (a year older than Allen) and his 2012 season was meh. 1 yr deal for him if you go that way.
 
1 - well my idea is trade a 4th and a 2nd for a higher 2nd and a 5th (it would only move us up 5 spots tops but I think it be enough to grab ASJ who is injured currently. Also if you can't just get him just get Niklas.

Thanks for the clarification. I misunderstood you. I don't think your proposed trade would be enough to move up, but if it worked, more power to you.
 
Vince Wilfork asks to be released, won't take a restructure per Adam Schefter:

Wilfork made it clear to Patriots in recent weeks he will not restructure deal.

As predicted months ago. No way the Pats can give him a true extension without evidence that he can effectively come back from his injury.

Sad, but obvious.
 
My Defense right now.


DE - 5 - Jones Nink Peppers(FA) Aaron Lynch(Draft) ???? (someone else)
DT - 5 - Kelley Aaron Donald(Draft) Hatcher(FA) Jones Siliga
LB: - 5 -Mayo Collins Hightower Woodyard(FA) Fletcher
CB: - 5 - Revis(FA) Dennard Ryan Arrington Keith McGill(Draft)
S - 4 - McCourty Major Wright(FA), Harmon Ebner

I am not gonna tell you how I would make this happen. Just MAKE IT HAPPEN.

We are getting BTFO by Denver in free agency and need to respond.

With Revis' contract counting only $7M to the 2014 cap and Wilfork asking for his release, we would have plenty of money to do what you propose. Substitute Brandon Browner for Major Wright. I'm still not sure it makes sense to sign someone like Jason Hatcher and trade up for Aaron Donald, but they are both very good players.

I do wish that the Pats had sorted this out a few days ago, and could have made a run at Lamarr Houston or Linval Joseph. Sigh.
 
I've been watching a ton of Harmon film recently, so I will share some of my thoughts.
- Good tackler hitter, He rarley misses and tackles low
- Fits 2 Deep safety role or cover 2 mold well
- Doesn't have the quickness of Gregory to play in a robber role
- Average Man coverage ability
- Provides decent run support
- He doesn't have great closing speeds but he gets to the ball on time
- Calm player
- Good at recognizing plays

I think he should be the starter next year, he doesn't do anything great but he won't be a liability. I am guessing the Pats play more 2 deep safety looks. Harmon could play man in Cover-1 looks, but he doesn't have the quickness and cod to play as a robber. He will be an upgrade over Gregory in Cover-2 looks though. It would be nice to see Tavon Wilson play some dime LB aswell, he matches up with TEs very nicely. I don't see Safety as a need, however they could use a 5th-6th rounder as a backup.

But I think Brandon Browner could excel in a robber role, and in Cover-3 and Cover-7 shells, especially with Darrelle Revis locking down half the field.

How the New England Patriots Can Maximize Darrelle Revis' Elite Coverage Skills | Bleacher Report

Seattle Seahawks walloped Denver Broncos with simple scheme - NFL.com
 
Finally.

With the news that the Pats have signed Brandon Browner to a 3 year deal, following the Darrelle Revis signing, for the first time since Ty Law left and Rodney Harrison started to decline the Pats are really in position to have a dominant secondary that can play aggressive coverage schemes, and allow BB to get aggressive up front. Whether Browner ends up playing SS, CB or some of both, they are paying him starter's money to give themselves the ability to do what they haven't been able to do for a decade.

Going back to the OP:

With Seattle putting on a show of defensive dominance reminiscent of the 1985 Bears and 2000 Ravens, people are suddenly remembering that defense tends to win championships. The Pats have a lot of good pieces in place, and showed some significant progress this season before injuries took their toll. But there are a number of question marks.

Here's my "blueprint" for evolving the Pats' D into one on a Seattle/SF/Carolina championship-caliber level.

1. Need a change of attitude and approach.

The Pats' D comes from the top, and it's just not adequate in today's NFL. Too passive, too soft. The defense needs to get much more physical and play with an attitude and with controlled rage. Aqib Talib brought some much-needed swagger to a demoralized secondary, and that kind of attitude is needed on all 3 levels.

Check. There are obviously some major pieces to be addressed, but it's hard to imagine that the Pats would have been so aggressive about Revis and Browner if they weren't planning to be significantly more aggressive on defense.

2. Upgrade and add depth on DL.

Obviously, this hasn't been addressed yet, though the prediction about Vince Wilfork being cut looks fairly likely at this point. It's hard to imagine that the team would have gotten so aggressive at DB without intending to be able to be more disruptive up front, too.

3. Continue to get more mobile at LB.

Again, this hasn't been fully accomplished, though the team has made some moves suggesting that this is a goal. Brandon Spikes is obviously moving on. The team showed interest in Dakoda Watson and had Wesley Woodyard in for a visit, though that didn't pan out. They have reportedly showed considerable interest in Kevin Pierre-Louis at Boston College's Pro Day. I think that we'll see more speed at the 2nd level. The Browner signing makes it easier to use Adrian Wilson as a pure hybrid S/LB (if he stays), and I think that the Pats' interest in Watson and Woodyard suggests that guys like Christian Jones, Jordan Tripp, Telvin Smith and Kevin Pierre-Loiuis will not be too far "outside the mold".

4. Go "Seattle" with big, physical DBs.

Obviously, this is where the FO has chosen to focus their initial efforts. Darrelle Revis, Brandon Browner, Alfonzo Dennard and Devin McCourty are as good a group of DBs as there is in the NFL. Logan Ryan, Duron Harmon and Kyle Arrington are quality depth. I'm not sure there's a better group of 7 DBs in the NFL. I'd still like to see 1-2 more added in day 3 of the draft, but it's a huge change from where we have been. Only 18 months ago the secondary was a shambles.

Looking at some of the points that were emphasized earlier in this thread:

The key to good defense is to show the offense no respect and flat out bully them for the entire time you're on the field.

The moves in the secondary strongly suggest that the Pats are moving in this kind of direction. The secondary is bigger and much more physical than anything we've seen in a decade, and presumably the front 7 will become more physical and aggressive, too.

Seattle also proved the wisdom of Grid's "overload" approach, adopted from military strategy:

"OVER Loading at ANY position can create a Fatal Advantage. THAT is what interests ME. Attacking With Concentrated Force. THAT is what WINS. In the words ~ more or less ~ of General Patton: 'I'm fighting a WAR, here. Let the B*****ES worry about their FLANKS.'"

Time to fight a modern war, gentlemen. And this is as good a time as any to figure out how to overload with modern weapons. This draft is full of them.

It certainly looks like the FO is "overloading" at the DB position.

And, from Greg Cosell:

Gus Bradley, the Seahawks defensive coordinator the last four seasons before becoming the Jacksonville Jaguars' head coach in January, summed it up best. He once said, “Whatever scheme you play, you’ve got to create disruption at the perimeter.” Disruption outside with taller, more aggressive corners; pass rush flexibility and adaptability with athletic and versatile hybrids who can align all over.

That’s the template for defensive success in a passing league.

"Disruption at the perimeter" with taller, more aggressive corners. Check.

"Pass rush flexibility and adaptability with athletic and versatile hybrids that can align all over". Jamie Collins epitomizes that. Chandler Jones fits, as do Rob Ninkovich and Dont'a Hightower, and Michael Buchanan if he develops. Armond Armstead would fit as an "inside/outside" guy if he can get healthy and develop. I'd like to see another hybrid or two added, but I don't think that the trend is towards more of a "bend but don't break defense".

Disruption is production. And we seem to finally be on the road to being able to execute a more aggressive, disruptive defense that can bully any QB and any offense in the NFL, without fear. It's about time.
 
If Pass rush is upgrading we are a top of the line defense.
Also I remain confident in Siliga as the Wilfork replacement
 
If Pass rush is upgrading we are a top of the line defense.
Also I remain confident in Siliga as the Wilfork replacement

A couple of thoughts:

1. I'm fine with Siliga as a run-stopping NT. He won't give us what Wilfork 2004-2012 did, but I don't think that's what we necessarily need.

2. I think the fact that the Pats' FO chose to address the secondary so aggressively, rather than the DL, is interesting. Perhaps it is a sign that they are optimistic about guys like Armond Armstead and Michael Buchanan, not to mention Jamie Collins emerging as a major impact player.

3. More than ever, I'm "all in" on getting Aaron Donald. Add Donald's disruptive capability with the rest of our defense, and I think we're at least a legitimate top 5 defense, if not top 2-3.

I'm really looking forward to watching games when we're licking our chops with anticipation for what our defense is going to do to opposing offenses, instead of being in fear (or at least a bit nervous) every time our defense goes out on the field. I think that's something that can actually occur this season, with a few additional moves.
 
Finally.

With the news that the Pats have signed Brandon Browner to a 3 year deal, following the Darrelle Revis signing, for the first time since Ty Law left and Rodney Harrison started to decline the Pats are really in position to have a dominant secondary that can play aggressive coverage schemes, and allow BB to get aggressive up front. Whether Browner ends up playing SS, CB or some of both, they are paying him starter's money to give themselves the ability to do what they haven't been able to do for a decade.

We are seeing eye to eye this offseason, Brother!
 
I think the Revis signing was just because he's the best out there. Nothing diabolical or sinister about it. A comparision I hope works out. Mike Haynes spent 7 years with the Pats and held out. Got dealt to the Raiders and they won the Super Bowl in 83. Revis has been in the league 7 years now:)

I think the Browner signing is BB's tactical response to Denver. Revis locks down the left side. Denver puts D. Thomas in that bunch formation on the left. We let them off the line easier than a knife goes thru hot butter. Browner and Logan Ryan have the size to attack that formation like Seattle did in the Super Bowl. Knock them off their routes and don't give Manning that first easy look and pass. Revis takes the 2nd option.

If we can improve the pass-rush, that should eliminate the 3rd option and go a long way towards slowing that offense down.
 
I'm ecstatic with what we've done in the secondary. But, looking at Overthecap.com, I see that Lamarr Houston's 2014 cap hit with Chicago is just over $5M, with hits of just under $7M in 2015-2017, and $just under 9M in 2018. Darn good deal (especially when you consider that Julius Peppers is reportedly getting $8.5M from Green Bay this year).

Mike Neal's 2014 cap hit with Green Bay is $3.75M. His cap hit in 2014 if $4.25M.

Either of those options would have been doable, and would have really given the Pats tremendous versatility up front.

Corey Wootton, please, for something close to the Mike Neal range.
 
How about some Seahawks style 6-2-3? :D

They did it with Thomas as single high safety, Chancellor down in the box as one of the 2 LBs.

Outside corners in press man, single high Safety everyone else is in the box - there's certainly the secondary here now to do it.
 
How about some Seahawks style 6-2-3? :D

They did it with Thomas as single high safety, Chancellor down in the box as one of the 2 LBs.

Outside corners in press man, single high Safety everyone else is in the box - there's certainly the secondary here now to do it.

Having a safety with Devin McCourty's range and outside corners who can play press-man effectively gives a lot of options for the DL:

Muth read: The Seahawks and multiple defensive fronts - SBNation.com

5 man fronts, 6 man fronts, ameboid formations, 2-4-5. Tons of ways you can mix things up with that back end and so many versatile playmakers on the front end.
 
Do you still want Browner at SS?

I still think he could excel in the role, but I've said all along that I see him playing more than one role in this defense, and I'm fine letting BB sort out where he's most useful. It's not something I'm worrying much about at the moment. Regardless, I'd like to add someone like Antone Exum or Jonathan Dowling on day 3 of the draft, but I there's enough talent and moveable pieces that they can be arranged in a number of different ways and still be effective.
 
I still think he could excel in the role, but I've said all along that I see him playing more than one role in this defense, and I'm fine letting BB sort out where he's most useful. It's not something I'm worrying much about at the moment. Regardless, I'd like to add someone like Antone Exum or Jonathan Dowling on day 3 of the draft, but I there's enough talent and moveable pieces that they can be arranged in a number of different ways and still be effective.

Just curious because Kyed and Underhill both said they thought he would struggle at SS. I would like also like to see a day 3 safety for depth purposes. I have always liked Dowling, I watched Quanterus Smith last yr and Dowling was making plays all over the place, but it is concerning that he was kicked out of Florida.
 


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