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My Analysis : Drew Brees' Last 48 games - 33 played in a Dome


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Playing in a dome is an advantage for a QB, but it's overplayed. Of any given 8 home games that "non Dome" QB's play, how many are in truly bad weather?

When the temp is above 40 and there isn't much wind, it's just not that big of a deal for an NFL QB.
 
Playing in a dome is an advantage for a QB, but it's overplayed. Of any given 8 home games that "non Dome" QB's play, how many are in truly bad weather?

When the temp is above 40 and there isn't much wind, it's just not that big of a deal for an NFL QB.

If it was overplayed, there'd be no noticeable statistical difference. Since that's not the case, it's not overplayed.
 
Playing in a dome is an advantage for a QB, but it's overplayed. Of any given 8 home games that "non Dome" QB's play, how many are in truly bad weather?

When the temp is above 40 and there isn't much wind, it's just not that big of a deal for an NFL QB.
At this point I'm expecting you to present studies or research findings demonstrating the similarities or differences between performing in a controlled environment and an uncontrolled environment as a Quarterback.
 
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So which of those games did he lose? I'd like to know if he performed more poorly in those games that were cold.
 
Excellent research by the OP. Would you mind if I brought this up elsewhere?
 
So which of those games did he lose? I'd like to know if he performed more poorly in those games that were cold.

December 11, 2011********@ Titans+++++40 degrees and sunny
Result Saints 22 Titans 17 , Hasselbeck was hurt during this game (Source :ESPN)
Brees 36-47, 337 yds, 2 tds
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December 19, 2010********@ Ravens+++++37 Degrees
Result Saints 24 Ravens 30 (Source :ESPN)
Brees 29-46, 267 yds, 3 tds
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December 5, 2010********@ Bengals+++++32 Degrees
Result Saints 34 Bengals 30 (Source :ESPN)
Brees 24-29, 313 yds, 2 tds

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December 6, 2009 ********@ Redskins+++++39 Degrees
Result F/OT Saints 33 Redskins 30 (Source :ESPN)
Brees 35-49, 419 yds, 2 tds
 
Ah, the old 'dome' argument. Lame.

Drew Brees indoors, career:

Games played - 69
Completion percentage - 68%
Yards per attempt - 7.9
Touchdowns - 151
Interceptions - 73
Passer rating - 99.3

Drew Brees outdoors, career:

Games played - 90
Completion percentage - 63.7%
Yards per attempt - 7.1
Touchdowns - 144
Interceptions - 79
Passer rating - 89.4

Bear in mind that many of those outdoors games were played in San Diego, which is about as close to a dome as an open stadium can be, and still you can see a decline in performance when playing outdoors.

Let's add another example, Peyton Manning.

Peyton Manning indoors, career:

Games played - 112
Completion percentage - 65.5%
Yards per attempt - 7.8
Touchdowns - 231
Interceptions - 102
Passer rating - 98.3

Peyton Manning outdoors, career:

Games played - 101
Completion percentage - 64.4%
Yards per attempt - 7.4
Touchdowns - 179
Interceptions - 99
Passer rating - 91.7

Okay, you see a trend here. I'm not even going to cite Kurt Warner's stats, and his show an 18 point swing in Passer rating when playing indoors, as opposed to outdoors. So, this is a trend for QBs who play in domes, there's no questioning that.

Now, maybe you'll say: "yeah, but those outdoors stats were all accumulated on the road, where QBs notoriously play worse, so you can't attribute that to being unable to play on less than ideal conditions". Let's see what the stats say about that.

Drew Brees home, career:

Games played - 80
Completion percentage - 66.1%
Yards per attempt - 7.6
Touchdowns - 168
Interceptions - 78
Passer rating - 96.8

Drew Brees away, career:

Games played - 80
Completion percentage - 65.2%
Yards per attempt - 7.3
Touchdowns - 127
Interceptions - 74
Passer rating - 90.9

Now let's see what happens with Peyton Manning on the road.

Peyton Manning home, career:

Games played - 107
Completion percentage - 65.3%
Yards per attempt - 7.7
Touchdowns - 213
Interceptions - 89
Passer rating - 98.0

Peyton Manning away, career:

Games played - 106
Completion percentage - 64.6%
Yards per attempt - 7.5
Touchdowns - 197
Interceptions - 112
Passer rating - 92.1

Okay, but you could already guess Brees' and Manning' home/away splits would be pretty close to their outdoors/indoors ones. Now, to close the argument, I present you Tom Brady and Brett Favre, pretty much universally regarded as the two best cold-weather quarterbacks of all time. Let's see how they fare on the road, as opposed to at home.

Tom Brady home, career:

Games played - 83
Completion percentage - 63.8%
Yards per attempt - 7.3
Touchdowns - 142
Interceptions - 43
Passer rating - 96.6

Tom Brady away, career:

Games played - 83
Completion percentage - 64.1%
Yards per attempt - 7.7
Touchdowns - 166
Interceptions - 73
Passer rating - 96.6

Brett Favre home, career:

Games played - 135
Completion percentage - 62.1%
Yards per attempt - 7.2
Touchdowns - 242
Interceptions - 143
Passer rating - 88.3

Brett Favre away, career:

Games played - 134
Completion percentage - 61.8%
Yards per attempt - 7.1
Touchdowns - 229
Interceptions - 154
Passer rating - 85.7

As you see, these two perform almost identically at home or on the road. They also have considerably better stats indoors than outdoors, even if, in Brady's case, he has never played a home dome game. This quick study presents us reasonably strong evidence that big time quarterbacks generally perform better in domes, but those who can play at a high level in a home outdoors stadium, generally replicate the same level of performance on the road, because they are accustomed to throw in less than ideal conditions. However, dome QBs may not struggle when they have to deal with the weather, but their performance unequivocally suffers in those occasions. Therefore, it's pretty naive to think the 'dome factor' doesn't influence quarterback performance.
 
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Playing in a dome is an advantage for a QB, but it's overplayed. Of any given 8 home games that "non Dome" QB's play, how many are in truly bad weather?

When the temp is above 40 and there isn't much wind, it's just not that big of a deal for an NFL QB.
it is if it rains a lot my friend
 
Drew Brees indoors, career:
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As you see, these two perform almost identically at home or on the road. They also have considerably better stats indoors than outdoors, even if, in Brady's case, he has never played a home dome game. This quick study presents us reasonably strong evidence that big time quarterbacks generally perform better in domes, but those who can play at a high level in a home outdoors stadium, generally replicate the same level of performance on the road, because they are accustomed to throw in less than ideal conditions. However, dome QBs may not struggle when they have to deal with the weather, but their performance suffers in those occasions. Therefore, it's pretty naive to think the 'dome factor' doesn't influence quarterback performance.
gr8 input, are u a lawyer by any chance? ur post is very well prepared...... u have thought of every question the other guy can ask...... :clap:
 
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gr8 input, are u a lawyer by any chance? ur post is very well prepared...... u have thought of every question the other guy can ask...... :clap:

Not a lawyer yet. Will be one in about 6 months, though. :D
 
Not a lawyer yet. Will be one in about 6 months, though. :D

gr8 :rocker:, Lucky guess on my part.I wish you all the luck, It goes without saying by looking at ur post u will make a good lawyer, Hopefully u fight for the good guys.......
 
Drew Brees indoors, career:

Games played - 69
Completion percentage - 68%
Yards per attempt - 7.9
Touchdowns - 151
Interceptions - 73
Passer rating - 99.3

Drew Brees outdoors, career:

Games played - 90
Completion percentage - 63.7%
Yards per attempt - 7.1
Touchdowns - 144
Interceptions - 79
Passer rating - 89.4

Bear in mind that many of those outdoors games were played in San Diego, which is about as close to a dome as an open stadium can be, and still you can see a decline in performance when playing outdoors.

Let's add another example, Peyton Manning.

Peyton Manning indoors, career:

Games played - 112
Completion percentage - 65.5%
Yards per attempt - 7.8
Touchdowns - 231
Interceptions - 102
Passer rating - 98.3

Peyton Manning outdoors, career:

Games played - 101
Completion percentage - 64.4%
Yards per attempt - 7.4
Touchdowns - 179
Interceptions - 99
Passer rating - 91.7

Okay, you see a trend here. I'm not even going to cite Kurt Warner's stats, and his show an 18 point swing in Passer rating when playing indoors, as opposed to outdoors. So, this is a trend for QBs who play in domes, there's no questioning that.

Now, maybe you'll say: "yeah, but those outdoors stats were all accumulated on the road, where QBs notoriously play worse, so you can't attribute that to being unable to play on less than ideal conditions". Let's see what the stats say about that.

Drew Brees home, career:

Games played - 80
Completion percentage - 66.1%
Yards per attempt - 7.6
Touchdowns - 168
Interceptions - 78
Passer rating - 96.8

Drew Brees away, career:

Games played - 80
Completion percentage - 65.2%
Yards per attempt - 7.3
Touchdowns - 127
Interceptions - 74
Passer rating - 90.9

Now let's see what happens with Peyton Manning on the road.

Peyton Manning home, career:

Games played - 107
Completion percentage - 65.3%
Yards per attempt - 7.7
Touchdowns - 213
Interceptions - 89
Passer rating - 98.0

Peyton Manning away, career:

Games played - 106
Completion percentage - 64.6%
Yards per attempt - 7.5
Touchdowns - 197
Interceptions - 112
Passer rating - 92.1

Okay, but you could already guess Brees' and Manning' home/away splits would be pretty close to their outdoors/indoors ones. Now, to close the argument, I present you Tom Brady and Brett Favre, pretty much universally regarded as the two best cold-weather quarterbacks of all time. Let's see how they fare on the road, as opposed to at home.

Tom Brady home, career:

Games played - 83
Completion percentage - 63.8%
Yards per attempt - 7.3
Touchdowns - 142
Interceptions - 43
Passer rating - 96.6

Tom Brady away, career:

Games played - 83
Completion percentage - 64.1%
Yards per attempt - 7.7
Touchdowns - 166
Interceptions - 73
Passer rating - 96.6

Brett Favre home, career:

Games played - 135
Completion percentage - 62.1%
Yards per attempt - 7.2
Touchdowns - 242
Interceptions - 143
Passer rating - 88.3

Brett Favre away, career:

Games played - 134
Completion percentage - 61.8%
Yards per attempt - 7.1
Touchdowns - 229
Interceptions - 154
Passer rating - 85.7

As you see, these two perform almost identically at home or on the road. They also have considerably better stats indoors than outdoors, even if, in Brady's case, he has never played a home dome game. This quick study presents us reasonably strong evidence that big time quarterbacks generally perform better in domes, but those who can play at a high level in a home outdoors stadium, generally replicate the same level of performance on the road, because they are accustomed to throw in less than ideal conditions. However, dome QBs may not struggle when they have to deal with the weather, but their performance unequivocally suffers in those occasions. Therefore, it's pretty naive to think the 'dome factor' doesn't influence quarterback performance.


Unfortunately, your data is missing a very large piece. I.e. a 'dome' QB playing their home games, with the same personnel, outdoors. Obviously, this data set doesn't exist. Hence, the 'dome hypothesis' is incomplete and, thus, LAME.
 
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Unfortunately, your data is missing a very large piece. I.e. a 'dome' QB playing their home games, with the same personnel, outdoors. Obviously, this data set doesn't exist. Hence, the 'dome hypothesis' is incomplete and, thus, LAME.

Okay dude, whatever you say. Nice to see you put your opinions in a well constructed argument, though.
 
I just hope my friend, for ur sake that u dont use this as a point of argument with a Saints fan, they wont agree with whatever you have to say.....

Nah, it's to emphasise what myself and a few other long time fans have been saying on another forum.

It's a quite fantastic achievement from Brees - but (IMO) it simply does not compare to Unitas.
 
Unfortunately, your data is missing a very large piece. I.e. a 'dome' QB playing their home games, with the same personnel, outdoors. Obviously, this data set doesn't exist. Hence, the 'dome hypothesis' is incomplete and, thus, LAME.

Not when compared to a Quarterback who set the record 50+ years ago in an era where defenders could pretty much do what they liked to receivers, offenses and passing games were nowhere near as evolved as they are now, and many of the games were played in poor conditions not conducive to Quarterbacks playing well. Basically a player who never played in a dome, and had the advantages modern day Quarterbacks and offenses have.
 
Unfortunately, your data is missing a very large piece. I.e. a 'dome' QB playing their home games, with the same personnel, outdoors. Obviously, this data set doesn't exist. Hence, the 'dome hypothesis' is incomplete and, thus, LAME.

Yeah, all of these QBs whose numbers shoot UP in dome games, even though they're on the road, are irrelevant. I have no idea how anyone can look at the numbers across the league and say that there's not a significant advantage playing in a dome. Outside of the numbers, common sense tells you that it's easier to play in ideal field, temperature, wind, and humidity conditions than it is to play in crap weather.

But you keep on clingin'.
 
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