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  1. Fogbuster

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    are you guys this scared about 2008 that you're attacking each and every candidate before they've even begun campaigning? lol
     
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    Who's worried??? Are YOU worried about something?? You certainly seemed agitated by a lot of things. Guess you didn't get your piece of raw meat today. Here, eat Zazo.


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    and here you are making it personal again... you just can't avoid it, can you?

    i'm not worried at all... i mean, a woman and/or a muslim could actually beat the GOP right now... could you imagine that? what a world... lol...
     
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    .... (Yawn)
     
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    what's the problem here? he's a lawyer, he has a nice house... ooooooook?
     
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    Two words: Tort Reform


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    vague... you're saying he's made too much money via lawsuits?

    in other words, he's too rich? how socialist of you!! ;)
     
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    #75 Jersey

    Oh, GREAT!
    Another Fog vs. Press "discussion!
    We need more of this............................................
     
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    well, it's been respectful... nontheless, you're free to enter into the discussion... i'm still baffled what the fuss is with Drudge up in arms about Edwards' house...
     
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    I'm surprised that anyone would be "baffled" at seeing this, of all things, as a newsworthy item. ????

    We've all been told exactly how much money Bush, Cheney, and all other Republicans have at their disposal. Down to the penny.

    Funny, though, we almost never hear about Ted Kennedy's family fortune, or how it was gained; or how Bill and Hillary could be making 35k a year as governor of Arkansas, then they're worth $20-30 million when he leaves the White House. Now, THAT'S darn fine pay as a president! No wonder everybody wants the job!

    Or, how about John Kerry? Well, no secret there: just go out and find a nice rich widow and sweep her off her feet, taking her dead husband's family fortune in the bargain.

    Well, anyway, now enough people know about everybody else, and how much they're socking away -- as "lawyers".

    Tort Reform.

    Of course Edwards must be doing corporate stuff to be making that kind of money. Maybe defending / prosecuting the tobacco industry?? "Easy money".


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    who's "we?"... not sure who you're strawmanning for this one, because i never stop hearing about the Kennedy's wealth, nor does the whining ever stop about the Clintons' ...
     
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    So you are saying that the wealth of the Kennedys, Kerry, Clintons, and other Dem leaders is mentioned in the media as much as that of the Bushes, Cheneys, and other Repub high profiles? Not in the media I generally get my news from: CNN, BBC, Washington Times, ABCCBSNBC.

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    Fobuster, I think the right-wing focus on Edwards as a trial lawyer during the last election was used to suggest he made millions as an ambulance chaser. It's no secret that he was quite wealthy, but I doubt his wealth compares to that of Cheney, Bush, or Kennedy. Wealth has corrupted our political system, but the problem won't be solved until we find a way to get truly effective campaign finance reform, which won't happen because both parties have a vested interest in the current system.
     
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    Pat, why does it have to be "right-wing" to wonder about the income of a guy who might become one's president?? If going after Bush, Cheney or Art Garfunkle is fair game, so is questioning Edwards' source of income, isn't it?

    I don't understand this reflexive assumption that *all* questions of Dem candidates "has" to always come from "the vast Right-Wing conspiracy". Seems rather paranoid and unnecessarily divisive, if you ask me.


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    Fogbuster, I'm not disagreeing with your point. In fact, I took your point as being quite progressive (even if it was made by a conservative). My reference to the right wing had to do with the fact that Edwards wealth is already well known thanks to right-wing efforts. (Where I disagree with the right-wing is their slamming of trial lawyers, who in many cases, including Edwards, are mostly on the side of good. Sincere trial lawyers try to win big settlements because it's the only way to discourage corporations and other entities from committing crimes.)
     
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    What's with the labels? "Conservative", "right". Why? Because I think Edwards, Kerry, Kennedy, Pelosi, and most of the Hollywood crowd are saying one thing but often living another? I say the same about Bush, Cheney, Rush, and all the others who see themselves as "right-wing" or conservative.

    As many have said before me, BOTH "sides" have faults. I am after equalization of all opportunities for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, real happiness, for all. Not some temporary high but something that ensures that the world will better for the next generation than it was for us.

    Those who have become "fat", whether on the right or the left still have their blind spots. We need to see what those holes are and put it good.

    Don't you think?

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    Most people who are rich and are "liberals for justice" are full of crap. They speak from a position of strength and luxury and seldom walk the walk they talk about.

    I know a guy who is a true hard-core left winger who actually walks the walk when it comes to putting his money where his mouth is, and I have the highest respect for this guy even though I disagree with him on almost every political /government issue. He's a genius. He has made a fortune many times over in financial advising and stock trading and turns every penny he makes over to the shelter / food bank he runs in town here with no publicity or fanfare. He owns a three-decker (that he lives in) he uses to give emergency housing to the homeless. He has no family but has lots of girlfriends who love him to death because of his work - no kidding. This guy's the happiest guy in the world.
     
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    That sort of applies to every group. How many wealthy religious Christians do you know who are anti-materialism? How many wealthy religious Republicans do you know who would rather see their kids lift themselves up by their bootstraps than be given generous allowances? That said, there are many sincere wealthy liberals, like Kennedy, who have given their lives to public service when they could have simply led a life of leisure. And there are of course sincere people in every other group, but they're the exception not the rule.
     

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