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    the Army takes what they can get. If it were up to me, i would not take a Muslim in any one of our branches. People can call me whatever they want, but i do not trust any Muslim. I know i am painting with a very broad brush, but i just dont trust them. I was in Afghanistan when these dirty bastards tried to kill me, and that i cannot forget or forgive.
     
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    sh*t, I agree with you [harry] for once.

    Of course, I wonder if you feel the same about people of all religions, or if it's just Muslims...
     
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    For a guy who's usually very reasonable, that's a surprising opinion to hold. I've been screwed over by Christians and Jews repeatedly in business -- doesn't mean I should hold all of them accountable for it.
     
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    American citizens tried to kill you in Afghanistan?????
     
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    It's bad he changed his mind - and it's a shame he didn't seem to understand either his commitment to his religion or his commitment to his country before he enlisted - but it seems he's not alone, although it appears more people simply desert than try for CO exemptions.

    -- Army desertions have risen 35 percent in the past two years, according to Defense Department figures. The number rose from 2,450 in 2004 to 3,301 in 2006.

    "In any large group of military, you are always going to have some people change their minds," said Dennis Schulstad, a retired Air Force brigadier general and a former Minneapolis City Council member. Soldiers who desert are only a fraction of the 2.5 million in the military.

    But Ronald Krebs, a political science professor at the University of Minnesota, blames the sharp rise on the "unfathomable pressure" that recruiters are now under. He says that forces them to lower standards and recruit people who might be less stable.

    "Lower-quality recruits desert at much higher rates than higher-quality recruits," said Krebs, author of "Fighting for Rights: Military Service and the Politics of Citizenship," published last year by Cornell University Press.


    Three Brothers go AWOL
     
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    no LOL. I meant Muslims over in Afghanistan. Not this service member.
     
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    I wish i could be more forgiving, but i just cant. I was working with some folks who were providing intel, in the end they set us up and were ambushed. They blew up my Humvee and killed 3 of my Army team members (I was Air Force).

    I am not saying what i feel is right or logical, but it will take me a while to get over the hatred.
     
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    It is understandable, but you are correct, it is not really logical or right.

    If your sister or your mother were murdered by an Israeli Jew - would you hate all American Jews? If a Christian raped your wife, would you hate all Christians?

    My father was in WWII - he fought the Japanese - and yet I do not ever recall him hating all Japanese - not even the ones from Japan much less the Japanese/Americans who lived around him.

    I have an inlaw who refuses to talk to me or allow her children to meet me because I am not Jewish - according to her, my "people" killed her "people," during the Holocaust. Never mind that "my" people, as in my father (who was wounded) and my uncle (who died there) were fighting to free "her" people......it's enough for her to still hold unto her fear and mistrust.

    Where does the world end up when that kind of blind hatred exists throughout the years?

    I hope you get over it, BB, I really do. It harms no one but yourself in the long run. A Muslim child born in The United States has nothing in common with the person who killed your friends in a war thousands of miles away from the only world that child knows. That child has done nothing to deserve your mistrust or your hatred. The only person who deserves it is the person who did it.
     
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    I feel that way if they use their religion as their excuse. I am not like most liberals, if I see the need to criticize a religion I will do it, most liberals seem to cower and hide when it comes to criticizing Muslims but have no problem at all beating up the christians, I have done it many times concerning the Pig Catholic Priests and the Phony Screaming Baptist Bastards.

    Of course we all now know that Liberalism has adopted Islam as their new latest "protected spieces" for some strange reason they have dumped Israel and they now embrace Israels enemy, weird brains..........
     
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    She'll try to twist it Boxer it's what she does.
     
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    Individuals are not "most liberals," Harry. When have I ever condemned the entirety of Christianity? When have I even said anything negative about Christianity? If I speak out about not wanting to see it take over the United States or become part of the government, that is an entirely different thing.

    "Most" liberals understand that all people of all religions are as individual as they themselves are and they do not make the blanket type statements that is your trademark.

    As for criticizing Muslims, I've got plenty to criticize - but why would I bother doing it here? That's what you're for, isn't it? Why would I fuel your fire? No matter how disgusting I find some Muslim habits (such as they way some of them treat women) I understand that not all Muslims follow such practice. I also understand that Orthodox Jews have some of the same archaic dated beliefs about a "woman's place," - so what? Most Jews I know and most Muslims I know - they don't live that way nor do they hold those beliefs.
     
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    Sorry about your friends.

    This probably fits well with a few psychological phenomena / biases -- saliency, for one, I think?

    Are you still in the Air Force? I'd be curious to hear whether you still feel the same way when out of there, back in the US, etc., upon meeting Muslims who aren't trying to kill you.
     
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    So you feel the same about Christians you cite conscientious objector status?

    and christian health care workers who decide they don't want to be involved with abortions, and even pharmacy workers who refuse to deal with birth control prescriptions?

    Wonder if you've started threads about any of those...


    you know, the more you say things like that, the more sound like a child, despite supposedly being an old man.


    bs

    You only criticize christians when called out on your biases.


    keep repeating it, but it doesn't make it true. Just makes you sounds addled.
     
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    no, i just retired after 21 years and now work as a civilian for the Air Force. I have not met another Muslim outside of the setting i mentioned. It would be interesting
     
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    Never mind.....Harry's "news story," is a year old.

    I saw the same guys name in an article on HuffPo just now......apparently in the last year or so he's managed to get caught with child porn, go AWOL and get arrested with bomb making materials.

    I thought Harry's story was current - so I couldn't figure out how two different media sources could have such seemingly unrelated stories about the same person.

    A lot happens in a year, apparently.

    Less than two years after an Army officer killed 13 people in a shooting attack on Fort Hood, police have arrested an AWOL soldier with weapons and explosives who reportedly confessed about his plans to attack the base in Killeen, Tex.
    Officers from the Killeen Police Department apprehended a man alleged to have been in possession of firearms and bomb-making materials after authorities received a tip about a suspicious individual, Fox News reports.

    The suspect -- identified in multiple media outlets as Pfc. Naser Abdo -- was assigned to a Kentucky base, but had reportedly gone absent without leave around July 4 after officials accused him of possessing child pornography on his government computer.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/28/awol-soldier-with-weapons_n_911968.html#s317847
     
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